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#1283714 - 09/23/07 10:57 AM Crown Vic, Panther reliability
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
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Loc: Michigan
In late 2005 I started conducting reliability research. I'm reporting absolute stats like "trips to the shop" that make the differences between cars much clearer. Results are updated four times a year, so it's possible to provide more frequent updates.

I haven't started collecting reliability on the Panthers yet because too few are enrolled. I'd like to be able to provide information on these cars, though, as they have a rep for lasting forever. Also, some owners that recently signed up asked me why I'm not yet collecting data on the cars, and I told them I'd try to reach out to other Panther owners to get started sooner rather than later.

Participants simply report repairs the month after they occur on a one-page survey. When there are no repairs, they simply report an approximate odometer reading four times a year, at the end of each quarter.

This forum and its admin have been essential in getting enough owners for the first-gen CTS, and I certainly appreciate this. Hopefully we can do even better for the 2008, as it's going to bring many new people to Cadillac and the CTS.

To encourage participation, panel members will receive full access to the results for free.

For the details, and to sign up to help out:

Vehicle reliability research


Edited by mkaresh (09/23/07 10:58 AM)

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#1283752 - 09/23/07 12:19 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: BigNSlow]
Impulseblue06 Offline
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Registered: 06/19/05
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Haha, yeah, because if it is you're gonna be really limited as to the help you're gonna get on here. \:D
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#1283759 - 09/23/07 12:30 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Impulseblue06]
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The cars will last forever. all you need to know.
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#1283855 - 09/23/07 03:39 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Evan_Almighty]
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Just lie and say your car is new....like my '07 Town Car/Crown Vic. ;\)
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#1283906 - 09/23/07 05:26 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: 95CrownVictoriaP74]
COMCON4US Offline
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Registered: 06/29/07
Posts: 341
Loc: Los Angeles
Drive a CV long enough something WILL BREAK....haha. You looking for breakage reliability or product defect type of stuff......with 5 Vics to compare, Ive got lotsa data.
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#1283912 - 09/23/07 05:47 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: COMCON4US]
Ryan Offline
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My vic may have a few more repairs every year than your average import but its only a few hundred or less rather than a few grand.

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#1283927 - 09/23/07 06:35 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Ryan]
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There may be an issue with the MAF,IAC,EGR.Mine is ok but some interesting starting issues-Prolonged throaty sounding on cold startup before the varoom and idle mode.Usually it starts with little or what I would describe as mormal throaty sound[short and quick]then idles.Now i get an occasional prolonged air sound and then the varoom and idle.Idle is normal either way -it's that prolonged air right at first.Might be due to dirtyMAF.I haven't had it cleaned.I'll do an occasional WOT and it seems to actually help.Other than that-car is solid.
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#1301613 - 10/16/07 11:29 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: BigNSlow]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Sorry for the delayed response. I've become used to automatic notifications:)

Anyway, the reseach is not just for new cars. I'm currently collected on some 1997s, and am considering even earlier model years. The older the car, the more variables enter the picture, but people keep asking me to cover older cars. So I likely will, just with qualifications about maintenance and such.

In general, I start collecting data whenever 25 or more owners sign up for a model year.

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#1301614 - 10/16/07 11:39 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
GaryinVT Offline
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Registered: 09/24/06
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Go to the VW forums if you want some raw data on new car reliability. I hang out at VW Vortex once in a while...wow! Those are some faithful owners! We worry about a rough idle on a 100k mile police cruiser, they're replacing transmissions the week after they pick up their new German (Mexican / Brazilian) car.
Sorry to hijack...I've had my '03 since March, have driven it 6,000 miles, have 106,xxx miles. Squeaky brakes, broken parking brake cable. That's it.
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#1301663 - 10/16/07 01:07 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: GaryinVT]
Johns Goat Offline
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Registered: 12/09/03
Posts: 4722
Loc: Long Island, New York
The only things I have ever replaced on my car was the alternator, at least three times, boo switch and a belt tensioner.
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#1301679 - 10/16/07 01:42 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
89LTDBoy Offline
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Registered: 10/07/07
Posts: 1542
Loc: Mandeville, LA, USA
I know my '89 Vic would still be going if I had it. Funny thing is someone posted about VW reliability (or lack of it), the reason why my parents bought the Vic way back when was because of a lemon VW Jetta they had. The European versions are much better, naturally.

I will say in 15 years we never had a major problem with the car.
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#1301768 - 10/16/07 04:18 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: COMCON4US]
rbohm Offline
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Registered: 12/22/01
Posts: 1139
Loc: tucson,az/luray,va
 Originally Posted By: COMCON4US
Drive a CV long enough something WILL BREAK....


true enough but god has yet to break his crown vic
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#1301785 - 10/16/07 04:53 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: rbohm]
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The Grand Marquis has excellent quality ratings from it's purchasers... The Crown Victoria on the other hand has poor quality ratings from it's purchasers (new, non-fleet purchases). Yet, they're the same damn car...

It's all in the perception of the consumer.


Of the panthers I've owned...

'95 P71 @ 189K, only routine maintenance
'98 P71 @ 55K, only routine maintenance
'99 P72 @ 250K, only routine maintenance
'99 P73 @ 99K, IAC, routine maintanence
'98 P71 @ 52K, leaking axle seal (replaced rear end), routine maintenance

Other than routine maintenance, and consumables (brake pads, shocks, springs, oil, etc), and minor issues such as the IAC (10 min. fix) and rear end (police 'abuse'), I've had zero issues with any of my panthers.
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#1321813 - 11/13/07 10:09 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: rbohm]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
I don't doubt that these cars can last forever, I'd just like to be able to provide a repair rate. Just 38 signed up so far for all model years, though. For sake of comparison, nearly 600 Honda Accord owners have signed up so far.

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#1321867 - 11/13/07 10:51 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
06vic Offline
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Registered: 06/30/06
Posts: 2800
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
The only thing that killed my 2006 was some old jackass pulling right out in front of me.

The car only had 24k miles, but during that time, it was totally flawless.
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#1321986 - 11/13/07 01:18 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Registered: 01/21/02
Posts: 1692
Loc: The land of Mardi Gras (YUK!)
On the 98 I used to have, I bought it at 49K and sold it at 98K. Other than normal maintenance items (brakes, battery, alternator) I had no issues with it. When I sold it the U-joint in the back needed to be replaced. That was about it. The intake cracked at the crossover, but that was a recall item, so no out of pocket costs on my part.
The 97 town car I drive has had no major problems after 65K. The drivers window crapped out a few months ago, but that was about it.
As I've said before, these are not the best cars, or the worst cars. They are worth what we pay for them. No more and no less.
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#1323936 - 11/15/07 05:02 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: deputyPQ920]
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Loc: Chicago Ridge, IL
I had a 93 and 01 Vic and never had any problems with them other than normal wear and tear and a CEL on the 93.
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#1323946 - 11/15/07 05:12 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Mest30]
Quasar Offline
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Registered: 03/27/05
Posts: 3276
Loc: Milwaukee, WI
I signed up, Ill give it a shot and see how it goes.
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#1340451 - 12/07/07 08:53 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Quasar]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Thanks.

There won't be anything to give a shot unless more owners sign up. Just a handful for most model years.

Actually, that isn't entirely true. There are a couple of other surveys on the site, for Repair Histories and Fuel Economy, that have no minimum sample. But the main survey has a minimum of 25.

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#1341271 - 12/08/07 02:07 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 1054
Loc: Clifton, NJ
'93 MGM-Drivers' side window and consumables.

'98 MGM-bought with 40K, now have 73K. Changed intake before it cracked and stranded me-$200, IAC-$50, Tie rod ends-warranty, 1-2 accumilator in trans-warranty, Upper ball joint -$200, rear end seal-$150 (changed at Speedy, was on a trip and couldn't do myself). Judged by the way the original front tires were worned, I'd say the previous owner did some hard cornering and stuff. So basically $600 in repairs +$6400 it cost me to purchase the car at my friendly L-M Dealer.

Still, I am happy with my almost 10 yr old car. My sister has the same year car and has replaced (or I have replaced) the same items. She has 150,000 miles on hers, and starts right up and is solid as can be!
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#1359424 - 01/02/08 10:52 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: 98Gdmarq]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
A few dozen of you have signed up to participate, but spread over many model years. So many more participants are needed.

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#1359676 - 01/02/08 04:55 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
Dextrovic Offline
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Registered: 07/17/02
Posts: 7848
Loc:  
The '94 required a complete front-end rebuild at 150k miles. I'm extremely pissed it didn't make eleventy billion miles like the beige Camry that all the 'tards rave on about that just happens to be rotting away in some boneyard due to a terminal case of suck.

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#1359683 - 01/02/08 05:07 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Dextrovic]
MrEvil Offline
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Registered: 10/06/07
Posts: 1763
Loc: Austin TX
My '98 is alive and well, but it's pretty low mileage for being 10 years old. All I've done so far is change oil, wash it, and put gas in the tank and it's been alright.
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#1359691 - 01/02/08 05:14 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: MrEvil]
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Mike is not looking for a reliability report here. The whole point is for as many people as possible to go to his site, sign up, and participate there.
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#1381547 - 01/28/08 10:28 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: SteveS]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Thanks, Steve.

Interesting mix of vehicles you have there. The XC90 has been especially frustrating for me--most model years have been within a few owners of the minimum for months now. I was just about to start with the 2004 this month, and the 2005 is just one short currently. With the 2004 F-150, I started collecting data a few months ago, should have a result in May.

On the Panthers, 50 are now signed up, but spread thinly across all model years. Most for any model is the Honda Accord, which will crack 700 in the next week or two.

Essentially, any car 1990 or newer can be enrolled. Details here:

Auto reliability research

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#1413301 - 03/03/08 11:18 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Results for dozens of other models were posted last week, here:

TrueDelta Vehicle Reliability Survey results

I'd like to include the Panthers in future sets, but we're still short of the minimum number of participants.

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#1437918 - 03/31/08 10:45 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Next update in May. The Panthers still are not included in the main survey because not enough owners have signed up to participate.

Vehicle reliability research

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#1460427 - 04/27/08 11:30 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Those results soon.

58 Panthers are signed up, but that's for all model years.

Vehicle reliability research

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#1462520 - 04/29/08 11:35 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
JWhittaker Offline
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Registered: 09/21/01
Posts: 985
Loc: Seekonk, Ma
Alright, alright I signed up with the 2K
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#1482237 - 05/24/08 02:01 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: JWhittaker]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Thanks, I appreciate it.

The hard part of this research is that it takes so many people to make it work. Still got a way to go with the Panthers.

For the full set of results, and sign up to help (if you haven't already):

TrueDelta Vehicle Reliability Survey results

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#1501299 - 06/20/08 12:44 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
70 Panthers now signed up. A few more if we include the Town Car.

The total number of vehicles in the panel recently passed the 30,000 mark.

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#1501322 - 06/20/08 01:20 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Posts: 4799
Loc: Long Island, NY
60% of the time, my car works every time... ;\)
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#1519962 - 07/17/08 01:02 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Ask_The_Shack]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Good to know \:\)

So how many times a day does your car cause people's heart to skip a beat when they see it in the rearview?

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#1519987 - 07/17/08 01:41 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
BRENSVIC Offline
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Registered: 03/21/08
Posts: 168
Loc: minnesota
my check engine light is always on for the oxygen sensor i replaced twice already.
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#1538458 - 08/12/08 12:08 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: BRENSVIC]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Maybe it's not the sensor? Maybe the wiring?

Anyway, still need more Panthers to include these cars in the survey.

Vehicle reliability research

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#1559498 - 09/10/08 01:52 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
74 now signed up, plus 19 Town Cars. Better, but more remain needed.

Vehicle reliability research

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#1578266 - 10/07/08 12:12 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Now 79 + 21, for a total of 100 Panthers. Getting there...

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#1578324 - 10/07/08 01:13 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Registered: 03/03/06
Posts: 1098
Loc: Hesperia, California
Just signed up.
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#1578372 - 10/07/08 02:46 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: music_warrior]
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Registered: 09/07/08
Posts: 2141
Loc: MI, USA
Unfortunately, the previous owner of my '97 Vic didn't take care of the program for the upper intake plenum. I guess he just didn't register for notifications on recalls. I got to deal with it, and of course it was just outside the deadline. I took it to a dealer and they quoted about a grand even.... needless to say I did it myself.
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#1578416 - 10/07/08 03:49 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Evan_Almighty]
JVJ Offline
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Registered: 10/14/05
Posts: 3073
Loc: BROOKLYN AND BAY SHORE, NEW YO...
 Originally Posted By: Evan Woodworth
The cars will last forever. all you need to know.


Yea baby, that's the spirit, I like that: "These cars will last forever!" I'll keep mine till the wheels fall off!



Edited by MONGOOSE (10/07/08 03:51 PM)
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#1603727 - 11/04/08 12:55 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: JVJ]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Judging from the pic the wheels won't be falling off any time soon.

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#1603825 - 11/04/08 02:28 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
97sicvic Offline
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Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 1238
Loc: northeast ohio
just signed up!
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#1649109 - 12/29/08 10:25 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: 97sicvic]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Thanks, I appreciate it.

We're getting there, just slowly.

To help get your year included in the survey:

Car reliability research

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#1649425 - 12/29/08 05:30 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Registered: 08/09/07
Posts: 1142
Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
Well, mine will be in the shop tomorrow getting its TPS replaced...

\:D

Still love her though!
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#1675290 - 01/27/09 01:32 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: psucrownvic]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
TPS is fairly inexpensive, right? Wouldn't hold that against her.

Updated results for about 200 other models soon. We'll include the Panthers as soon as enough owners sign up.

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#1675303 - 01/27/09 01:46 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Loc: Sacto. Calif.
 Originally Posted By: mkaresh
Judging from the pic the wheels won't be falling off any time soon.


Yep! Nice car.

These 98-ups will outlast the human race.

My IAC,MAF,EGR,alteernator,battery,intake,AC, heater core,radiator,tranny,brakes,rotors,ball joints,tie rods,u-joints, and radio are still in good working order. It's in a groove and barring any abuse- it should go forever and ever.

Change the fluids

It's all good!
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#1697561 - 02/24/09 01:46 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Now 90 + 25 = 115 Panthers signed up.

Results for 200+ other models in new format here:

Car Reliability Survey results

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#1719973 - 03/20/09 11:23 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Some model years are now about halfway to the minimum. Getting there, if slowly.

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#1745031 - 04/16/09 10:12 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
Those who sign up get access to all of our information, not just what we have for the Panthers. I've learned that this isn't always clear...

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#1745602 - 04/16/09 09:03 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
meyow Offline
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Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 578
Loc: wyo,usa
cmon fellow panthers,i cant believe he aint got enough yet
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#1745627 - 04/16/09 09:22 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: meyow]
RiceBurnt6 Offline
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Registered: 10/21/08
Posts: 5079
Loc: SWMI
Does it count if my engine has met an untimely death due to the Timing Guides being eaten through as well part of the steel tensioner? Other then that, i have had to replace the coil boot [ 3 were torn] and spark plugs lol
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#1768808 - 05/17/09 12:28 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: meyow]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
 Originally Posted By: meyow
cmon fellow panthers,i cant believe he aint got enough yet


Thanks for putting a word in.

We're getting there...

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#1768841 - 05/17/09 01:27 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Registered: 07/23/05
Posts: 5188
Loc: Chillicothe, Mo
I belonged to that site when I owned the 04 Sport. I changed vehicles when I got the 04 LTC but can't post any info because there aren't enough LTCs in my year range to make a group.
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#1794357 - 06/19/09 08:49 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: flyboy]
mkaresh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Michigan
2002 and newer cars can participate in all but the main survey--the others have no minimum sample size. They include surveys for repair histories, real-world fuel economy, and the reasons to buy or not buy a particular car model.

131 Panthers now signed up.

To help get your year included in the main survey:

Car reliability research

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#1818745 - 07/21/09 12:24 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: SteveS]
mkaresh Offline
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Updated results for 230+ other cars next month. Remain interested in including the Panthers.

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#1818787 - 07/21/09 12:55 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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I've had my Vic for a year and a half and about 20k miles. Alternator went out on me earlier this year, just removed it and my pops got a replacement one from this guy he knows. Then about a month ago all my interior lights and power mirrors went out, replaced the fuse and they went out again. Probably a short in the system, just have to find it. And I put diesel in the gas tank a couple of weeks ago. So about $80 to get that fixed. That's it. Pretty reliable. I love my Vic. Would trade her for anything. Now my old '98 Kia Sephia was so unreliable, you looked the word up in the dictionary and you'd see a pic of her.
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#1841164 - 08/20/09 07:21 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: PoliceInterceptr]
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Usually the nozzle on a diesel pump is larger, so it won't even fit in the hole. Not the case with the Crown Vic? At least it wasn't much to fix.

Good luck finding that short. Those can be difficult.

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#1866011 - 09/22/09 10:57 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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151 Panthers now signed up, including 17 2000s and 16 2004s.

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#1893065 - 10/26/09 10:30 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Updated results for other models next month.

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#1893109 - 10/26/09 11:19 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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#1893217 - 10/26/09 01:31 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Blackcvpi]
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Added the Merk, why not
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#1893224 - 10/26/09 01:48 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Zorg]
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diesel in it..
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ruined the cat and never ran right after that
broke off the little metal flap in the gas filler neck too - and it dropped down into the tank

nice looking car though-had the special rear window with the angular side-ends

but only had a 3 speed auto tranny/ 6 cyl that was really high revvving [really loud]at only 65.

sucked

needed 4 gears and better suited rear ratio
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#1924431 - 12/02/09 11:43 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Zorg]
mkaresh Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Merky_Maquis
Added the Merk, why not


Thanks, I appreciate it.

Keep getting more people--total of 163 now--but they're spread over many model years. The 2000 is now 3/4 of the way to the minimum, and the 1997, 1999, and 2004 are close behind it, so maybe we'll be able to include at least some of these years soon.

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Edited by mkaresh (12/02/09 11:46 AM)

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#1949557 - 01/06/10 12:16 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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Getting close for some years, finally.

Help get your year the rest of the way:

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#1949963 - 01/06/10 08:17 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
Skippy Offline

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I'd like to help, but I don't own anything new enough.

One problem with real world evaluation of automobiles is that by the time many examples of a model have enough miles to know whether they're good, the production run has ended, or the model has been extensively redesigned. I wish companies would concentrate more on getting a design as close to right as possible the first time, add minor refinements as technology is developed or problems are identified, and only do a major redesign when they really have to. The Panther platform seems to be a rare exception.
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#1949988 - 01/06/10 08:51 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Skippy]
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Just signed up.
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#1975512 - 02/09/10 10:28 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: b1kfd]
mkaresh Offline
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Thanks, I appreciate it.

I just realized that this is the only place I've been posting for the Crown Vic. I'll post in some other forums, and quite possibly this will finally get some years over the minimum.

We've come a long way since I started posting here--just so many model years to cover.

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#2003961 - 03/18/10 11:26 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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The 1997, 2000, and 2004 are now all at least 3/4 of the way to the minimum. Finally getting close.

Not yet signed up? Details here:

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#2029351 - 04/21/10 11:04 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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The 2004 is now only three cars away, and other years are now (finally) also getting close.

Help make this happen:

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#2029393 - 04/21/10 11:40 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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I've been a member for some time. I had to wait for a while to post info since the lack of LTCs & recenty added the wifes' PT Cruiser.
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#2055170 - 05/26/10 12:29 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: flyboy]
mkaresh Offline
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The 1999, 2000, and 2004 are now all close. Total of 197 for all model years.

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#2055271 - 05/26/10 02:27 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Added my car...let's go '00!
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#2085604 - 07/03/10 12:06 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: SPM]
mkaresh Offline
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 Originally Posted By: SPM
Added my car...let's go '00!


Thank you, I appreciate it.

The 00 is now only three cars short...

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#2112340 - 08/09/10 11:28 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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An the 2004 is now only two cars short. Will the 2000 or the 2004 be first into the survey?

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#2112360 - 08/09/10 11:53 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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I enrolled a couple of years ago, but no one else enrolled so I just gave up. It looks like I'll be giving up my Grand Marquis fairly soon because of its age anyway.
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#2112577 - 08/09/10 04:31 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: enslow]
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Well 1 more for the 2004 crown victoria- I just signed up.
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#2145482 - 09/22/10 11:31 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: thirdjoker]
mkaresh Offline
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Thanks. The 2004 has become the first model year in the survey.

Other years are close--the 2000 is only two cars short, the 2003 only five.

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#2201520 - 12/18/10 11:16 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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The 1999 is now also only five short.

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#2201569 - 12/18/10 01:02 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Well, I enrolled the Grand Marquis, but you may be bored.....

In 30,000 miles of hard driving, and semi-frequent racing, this has been the entire list of replacement parts:

Intake Manifold
Idle Air Control Valve
Alternator
Turn Signal Switch

I am, of course, not counting maintenance items.

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#2201719 - 12/18/10 06:51 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Zorin]
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My 99 is signed up and has been for many years. Wow this is an old thread.
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#2246199 - 02/25/11 09:46 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: GlockElbow]
mkaresh Offline
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Originally Posted By: GlockElbow
My 99 is signed up and has been for many years. Wow this is an old thread.


Sometimes we get enough cars within just a month or two, other times it takes longer. In this case, much longer.

But some model years are now in the survey, and other years are now close.

Better late than never...

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#2246298 - 02/25/11 12:35 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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I just enrolled my 2003 GMQ LSE mercury
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#2293473 - 05/09/11 10:34 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: GrumpMarky]
mkaresh Offline
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Thanks, I appreciate it.

We will--finally--start having some stats for the Panthers in a few weeks.

Also just noticed results of a bad copy-and-past in my original post. No way to edit that at this point?

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#2293475 - 05/09/11 10:39 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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You could get a moderator to edit it, possibly.
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#2293657 - 05/09/11 04:40 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Signed up with my 03 P71 here
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#2293900 - 05/09/11 11:13 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Just registered my 2k
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#2296022 - 05/13/11 06:00 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: TechnoWeenie]
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I have hardly had any major issues with my 98 MGM.

All it requires is routine maintenance and consumables.

The valves on the engine chatter, but the chattering engine is not the original one. The original one died when the quick-lube place forgot to replace the oil.

For a while, the engine was stalling a lot and not starting when it was cold. I forget exactly what my dad did, but it was something really simple and inexpensive, and it has behaved normally since.
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#2296334 - 05/14/11 10:56 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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I must admit, my '08 has had no problems. I'm at 42400 miles and 1580 hours. This has been the most reliable in-service car I've had.

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#2357421 - 08/22/11 09:37 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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It took longer than I had hoped, but we now have some initial results for the Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, and Town Car to include owner experiences through March 31, 2011.

Repair frequencies, in terms of repair trips per 100 cars per year:

2004: 51

2000: 90

Both are better than average but based on very small sample sizes.

Those of you who have been helping with the survey, thank you, I certainly appreciate it. With more participants we could provide more precise information and cover all model years from 1995 on.

For the details, and to sign up to help improve this information:

Ford Crown Victoria reliability ratings and comparisons

Mercury Grand Marquis reliability ratings and comparisons

Lincoln Town Car reliability ratings and comparisons

Same results on all pages.

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#2429043 - 12/27/11 01:31 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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We have some initial our reliability stats for the Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, and Town Car (on our redesigned site) to include owner experiences through September 30*, 2011.

Repair frequencies, in terms of repair trips per 100 cars per year:

2004: 79, about average

2003: 99, about average

2000: 141, about average

All are based on small or even very small sample sizes.

Those of you who have been helping with the survey, thank you, I certainly appreciate it. We'll have further updates in February and May. With more participants we could provide more precise information and cover all model years from 1995 on.

For the details, and to sign up to help improve this information:

Ford Crown Victoria reliability ratings and comparisons

Mercury Grand Marquis reliability ratings and comparisons

Lincoln Town Car reliability ratings and comparisons

Same reliability stats on all pages.

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#2429248 - 12/27/11 11:14 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: rbohm]
Piranah Offline
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Originally Posted By: rbohm
Originally Posted By: COMCON4US
Drive a CV long enough something WILL BREAK....


true enough but god has yet to break his crown vic


He did have to replace the intake when he first got it though
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#2524009 - 05/16/12 09:37 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Piranah]
mkaresh Offline
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We have some initial our reliability stats for the Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, and Town Car to include owner experiences through December 31, 2011.

Repair frequencies, in terms of repair trips per 100 cars per year:

2004: 73, better than average

2003: 94, about average

2000: 150, about average

All are based on small sample sizes.

Those of you who have been helping with the survey, thank you, I certainly appreciate it. We'll have further updates later this month and in August. With more participants we could provide more precise information and cover all model years from 1995 on.

For the details, and to sign up to help improve this information:

Ford Crown Victoria reliability ratings and comparisons

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#2628443 - 11/18/12 10:59 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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We have some initial our reliability stats for the Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, and Town Car to include owner experiences through June 30, 2012.

Repair frequencies, in terms of repair trips per 100 cars per year:

2004: 57, about average, stricter recalibrated scale

2003: 71, about average

2000: 79, better than average

All are based on small sample sizes.

Those of you who have been helping with the survey, thank you, I certainly appreciate it. We'll have further updates in November and February. With more owners involved we could provide more precise information and cover all model years from 1998 on.

For the details, and to sign up to help improve this information:

Ford Crown Victoria reliability ratings and comparisons

Mercury Grand Marquis reliability ratings and comparisons

Lincoln Town Car reliability ratings and comparisons

Same reliability stats on all three pages.

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#2628447 - 11/18/12 11:18 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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O Rly.

Tell us again.
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#2668183 - 02/12/13 12:46 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
mkaresh Offline
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We have some initial our reliability stats for the Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, and Town Car to include owner experiences through September 30, 2012.

Repair frequencies, in terms of repair trips per 100 cars per year:

2004: 44

2003: 44

2000: 61

All are better than average this time around, but based on small sample sizes.

We'll have further updates later this month and in May. With more owners involved we could provide more precise information and cover all model years from 1998 on.

For the details, and to sign up to help:

Ford Crown Victoria reliability ratings and comparisons

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#2732508 - 07/10/13 11:23 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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We've updated our reliability stats for the Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, and Town Car to include owner experiences through March 31, 2013.

Repair frequencies, in terms of repair trips per 100 cars per year:

2004 Crown Victoria: 49, low, small sample size
2003 Crown Victoria: 41, low, small sample size
2001 Crown Victoria: 20, low, very small sample size
2000 Crown Victoria: 92, moderate, very small sample size
1999 Crown Victoria: 92, moderate, very small sample size

We'll have further updates in August and in November. The more owners participate, the more comprehensive and precise these will be.

For the details, including the descriptions of reported repairs, and to sign up to help improve this information:

Ford Crown Victoria reliability ratings and comparisons

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#2732512 - 07/10/13 11:28 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Ive figured out why people think panthers are unreliable. They only look at stats like this, where 92 out of 100 make trips to the shop. They dont see that most people take their car to the shop if, say, the radio starts acting funny. Not all of those trips are for essential things. On mine, pretty much everything is broken but the lights, radio, and drivetrain. I'd call that extremely reliable after ~350,000 miles.
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#2762726 - 09/30/13 01:10 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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We've updated our reliability stats for the Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, and Town car to include owner experiences through June 30, 2013. (Another source is about 14 months behind.)

Repair frequencies, in terms of repair trips per 100 cars per year:

2004: 46, low, small sample size
2003: 54, low, small sample size
2001: 58, low, very small sample size
2000: 98, moderate, very small sample size
1999: 92, moderate, very small sample size

We'll have further updates in November and February.

To view competitors' scores and descriptions of reported repairs, and to sign up to help:

Ford Crown Victoria reliability ratings and comparisons

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#2762815 - 09/30/13 07:25 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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^It would be nice to see what it is for 2006
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#2767445 - 10/15/13 08:47 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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How is this for reliability, this is from a running vic I found on CL


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#2767461 - 10/15/13 10:06 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: jbaker]
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Originally Posted By: jbaker
How is this for reliability, this is from a running vic I found on CL
Wow, that's pretty impressive! Where did you find this? And are the engine + transmission original, or have they been rebuilt?
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#2767463 - 10/15/13 10:14 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: jbaker]
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Originally Posted By: jbaker
How is this for reliability, this is from a running vic I found on CL


Gotta be a taxi...
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#2767504 - 10/15/13 01:18 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
Mileaway Offline
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photo shopped?

or it is a taxi

yep
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#2767505 - 10/15/13 01:22 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
Mileaway Offline
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check the dipstick

these Vics burn a qt every 2-3 thou

keep up basic maintenance and this engine is good for along time
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#2767509 - 10/15/13 01:29 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Mileaway]
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Originally Posted By: Mileaway
check the dipstick

these Vics burn a qt every 2-3 thou

keep up basic maintenance and this engine is good for along time



I've driven almost 4,000 miles since my last oil change and has yet to burn a drop of oil. The level is the same its been since I changed it. FULL.
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#2767512 - 10/15/13 02:08 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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that's a good deal

I started noticing the oil consumption at about 140 thou
no leaks no blue smoke

but it'll sneak up on u if u don't check the stick for awhile
..
in my case anyway
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#2767517 - 10/15/13 02:34 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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My car doesn't burn oil at all. I went about 24,000 miles on the same oil (because I live life on the edge) and my car consumed about a 1/4 of it, overall.
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#2767519 - 10/15/13 02:43 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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At 155K miles my 05 does not burn a drop of oil in 7500 miles using 5w20..I do a combination of highway and gridlock in Miami jungle heat.
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#2767520 - 10/15/13 02:47 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Mileaway]
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Originally Posted By: Mileaway
that's a good deal

I started noticing the oil consumption at about 140 thou
no leaks no blue smoke

but it'll sneak up on u if u don't check the stick for awhile
..
in my case anyway
That's why I always check the stick after I go anywhere. I use 5w-20 Mobil 1 and have yet to burn/leak anything. Whether it be oil, coolant, or anything else.
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#2767538 - 10/15/13 04:18 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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196k miles, no oil burning or leaking so far. Oil is exactly the same where I leave it when I change it. *knock on wood*
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#2767539 - 10/15/13 04:19 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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The ad is already gone but it did say that it was first a squad car and then a taxi for its second life. It did say the miles where real and I think it mentioned only a trans rebuild.

Can you imagine the hours that would be on it.

And my 07 vic with 100,000 miles does not consume any oil that I can see.
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#2767557 - 10/15/13 05:55 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Chaplian]
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Originally Posted By: Chaplian
196k miles, no oil burning or leaking so far. Oil is exactly the same where I leave it when I change it. *knock on wood*
Ditto. I rest my case.
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#2767565 - 10/15/13 06:16 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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None of my Panthers have ever leaked or burned a drop of anything a day in their lives. Great drive train.
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#2767566 - 10/15/13 06:18 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Mine have been very generous on the maintence side... except shooting a few spark plugs out and the occasional 5000-12000 mile oil change rolleyes
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#2767684 - 10/16/13 04:05 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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The only Panthers I know that consume oil around here are the worn out and beater pre-'96 models that blow blue smoke. The maintained ones fair better and my car has never consumed any oil, but it did for a bit eject coolant when the intake manifold went. whistle
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#2767696 - 10/16/13 08:01 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: Bellwestern80]
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Originally Posted By: Bellwestern80
but it did for a bit eject coolant when the intake manifold went. whistle


That reminds me. The nipple on my intake manifold cracked and exploded on the LX-Sport I had. I gave it a pass after 199k miles in the Florida heat though.
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#2767725 - 10/16/13 10:29 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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Its a crap shoot with panthers as to whether they are gonna burn oil. My '96 didn't burn a drop, would be down less than 1/2 quart at the 5k mile OCI. The '97 Town Car (same engine, good service history, acquired with almost the same mileage), burns ~1qt in 2500 miles.

Pre-'95 are less of a gamble, you can just assume its gonna burn oil. They largely fixed the issues that led to the oil burning for the '96 model year, but like I said, they still tend to do it. At some point they got better about it, probably with the switch to PI heads in '01 since '96-'00 all use the same heads and presumably the same valve seal design which is the root cause of the burning.
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#2768421 - 10/18/13 10:13 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: BattleBorn]
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Mine is stupid reliable at 262K. Taking it on a 1000 mile road trip next week. Sure, we could take the new 2013 Ford Edge with 5k mile on it, but why?

It burns about a quart of oil ever 2-3k. Valve seals are going. Just got my parts in the mail today. Need to order the valve spring tool and then I will be tackling that project.
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#2791834 - 12/26/13 09:36 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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We've updated our reliability stats for the Crown Victoria to include owner experiences through September 30, 2013.

Repair frequencies, in terms of repair trips per 100 cars per year:

2004 Crown Victoria: 47, low, small sample size
2003 Crown Victoria: 49, low, small sample size
2001 Crown Victoria: 59, low, very small sample size
2000 Crown Victoria: 120, high, very small sample size
1999 Crown Victoria: 87, low, very small sample size

We'll have further updates in February and in May. The more owners participate, the more comprehensive and precise these will be.

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#2791900 - 12/26/13 12:51 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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#2792604 - 12/28/13 04:13 PM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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i have owned 3


none of them leak ANYTHING ....... EVER.

I have never had to do a single repair to them in the 6 years i have been driving them.

i do regular maintenance and treat the cars well. best cars i have ever owned for reliability.

I will defend this cars reliability till death, not even god could help you if you call my beast a " POS FORD "
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#2793692 - 01/01/14 01:36 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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^This.

My friend had a 2004 P71 and it never gave him any problems. Zilch. He put in 5 quarts of oil, drained out 5 quarts on each oil change. Started up without skipping a beat every time. The only things it needed before he sold it a couple of months ago was a new set of injectors and an alternator.

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#2819210 - 03/17/14 11:30 AM Re: Crown Vic, Panther reliability [Re: mkaresh]
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We've updated our reliability stats for the Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, and Town Car to include owner experiences through December 31, 2013.

Repair frequencies, in terms of repair trips per 100 cars per year:

2004 Crown Victoria: 43, low, small sample size
2003 Crown Victoria: 51, low
2001 Crown Victoria: 49, low, very small sample size
2000 Crown Victoria: 132, high, very small sample size

We'll have further updates in May and in August. The more owners participate, the more comprehensive and precise these will be.

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Edited by mkaresh (03/17/14 11:31 AM)

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