#1403275 - 02/21/08 11:37 AM
Re: New intake for Crown Vic and Grand Marq from J
[Re: SnakedMark8]
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gm2001
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Registered: 07/08/03
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Loc: Philly,PA
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Not sure I even want to interject in this one. Ah, might as well.
I always applaud new products on here. What Lonnie said is accurate. If enough people chimed in, it would be clearly visible that people with CAI's, including myself in FL at one point, have a very sluggish car AROUND TOWN. I had it here in Philly and around town, same story and that was with an 80mm MAF and tune(less than $600 btw). Highway speeds? Yes, no problem, but you can't swap airbox to CAI everytime you get in and out of the car.
A surefire winning product is being offered here if the people are listened to. Close in the open air filter, and yes, you will suck in gobs of COOL air so you can make terrific power. Why is it there are so many threads of people routing pvc pipe and a/c duct lines under the front fascia to get more air flow to their CAI? I wonder?
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#1403288 - 02/21/08 12:06 PM
Re: New intake for Crown Vic and Grand Marq from J
[Re: gm2001]
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jtbw
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Darrin its only a 652 mile drive for me.. lol
if only I was closer I'd take you up on it right away. I'd even provide a test car with both the OEM and marauder airbox/MAF to dyno and datalog. if only....
John and Lonnie thank you for saying what I don't have the eloquence or modular knowledge to say.
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#1403610 - 02/21/08 06:04 PM
Re: New intake for Crown Vic and Grand Marq from J
[Re: SnakedMark8]
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Tucker
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Registered: 02/12/08
Posts: 31
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Whoa there SnakedMark8
Don't start pushing BS to the members here about us.
if you put a JLT or any kit on a 05-up GT without a tune your showing your knowalage of the new MAF. There is NO WAY I would tell you it dosen't need adjusting as it's common knowalge and plastered all over the site, directions and customer recipt. Doing that and driving the car is amazing. Sorry for your customer. Also, your a tuner correct? Shouldn't you be able to do the tune for any CAI kit? SCT, Diablo, Superchips and Hypertech all have the files. If your a tuner you should have them as well. We offer it as a package with the programmer for that very reason. Buy the package and save some money or bring it to a reputable tuner to tune it for you.
The CV kit leaned out .5 or less. That is not 10+ RWHP. Please!
12.0 AF isn't correct on a CV huh? You actually think I tuned it and made 189 RWHP stock. That's pitiful power with a tune.
Tested and installed correctly all our kits will either keep the stock A/F, go slightly rich or lean by no more then a half a point. In this case here the car will make more power, breather easier, pick up MPG and be a full point in the safe zone.
Look, your welcome to your "opinions on CAI's and how they work. You may have used some and tested some, but if not tested properly it's easy to get false results.
I have no intension to put out a product that will not or does not work. I never have never will. You telling me my data is wrong or false it like calling me a lier which I'm not and I take offence to that.
I can only assume that you sell the MM package and have to defend your products and services. Well JLT is not here to step on your toes.
For the majority of Panther owners they will do an intake and exhaust. Perfect. That's what were here for. 99% will not come close to pegging the MAF. 99% will not do a PI head swap, 99% will not do a blower.
If you are, then I agree 100%, upgrade to the 80 or 90 for that matter, but for the majority this will work great. Sorry, but 8-10 HP for $600 is a LOT of money if you don't need it. It just is.
The Panther isn't any different then the Marauder, Mustang, F-150, and so on that we have kits for. I'm not sure why it seems people here think it's a different animal.
I have a daily driven 5600lb Supercrew 4x4 F-150 S/C'd with a filter under the hood that ran 14.7 in 90 degree heat and I have never had a issue on the street.
I have a street driven 540 RWHP GT500 with a filter under the hood. No issues and fun as heck.
Take a look over at some other sites with some fast street cars and research.
http://www.svtperformance.com http://www.modularfords.com www.mercurymarauder.net http://www.SVTsnake.com and so on. Hundreds of cars with filters under the hoods running great at the track, street and dyno.
Every kit for the 05-up GT is under the hood and they make 20-30 RWHP and run killer times at the track. These are not track cars, there daily driven cars. We've sold thousands as well has C&L, VMS,K&N and others. They don't work? Come on man, your pushing this BS to the wrong person and persons here and that's a shame.
BTW, we sell under the hood kits for all our models. Do you realy know us?
I have data logged tons of vehicles with fender well and under the hood kits. You will only see 195 parked on the black top.
As I said before, anyone can do it with the proper tools, so you can BS that.
I'm tryig to help a community that asked for help, that's it in a nut shell. Every time you do that you get attacked with skeptic comments, rude posts and know it alls.
Then you get those who want more. Make it like this, offer it to work with a bigger MAF, put a NOS plug in it and so on. The Panther doesn't have a ton of aftermarket parts for reasons like this and it's a small market. When someone comes along selling snake oil for $500 call BS, but when someone comes along with a idea that works on ALL cars for cheap, give it a chance for G*@ sake.
It's not like I'm selling the Tornado or a Elec. Supercharger.
I'll see you guys later, it's been fun, but I think I've had enough.
Peace
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#1403620 - 02/21/08 06:19 PM
Re: New intake for Crown Vic and Grand Marq from J
[Re: Tucker]
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Jony
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Registered: 06/03/07
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we got some OWNAGE. and my apoligeez. i was thinking of someone else lol. i had a dencecharger on my car. then i went to the JLT and noticed alittle better running and picked up only like 1.5 or like 2 tq fro mswapping out. but that could just be the dyno. all i know is ur product is good. its nice. for the price its next to perfect quality.
i have guys who have run nothing but jlt. one of are guys that were on the front of a summit catalong on his 03 cobra had a JLT intake on it. matched to the color of the car. sick stuff guys keep up the work.
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#1403718 - 02/21/08 08:10 PM
Re: New intake for Crown Vic and Grand Marq from J
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Eric91Z
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As far as a tune goes in this I got the tune for a couple of specific reasons OTHER than added HP:
1) Primarily to get rid of the CRAPPY stock tranny shift tuning as it is one of the worst I have ever dealt with - same thing with the Marauder
2) Potential for better gas mileage coupled with better intake and exhaust
3) Wanted to disable the second set of O2 sensors
4) Wanted the XCal2 for clearing codes and datalogging
Now I will use the extra parts listed on Jay's site and get the Marauder adapter and sheild to use with the extra air filter I already have and call it a day.
Once again, thanks for helping out and offering another option, Jay. And for those of you with the '03 and newer cars he also carries the Metco control arms, Watts Link, and DS safety loop if you are looking.
http://www.jlttruecoldair.com/
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#1403731 - 02/21/08 08:26 PM
Re: New intake for Crown Vic and Grand Marq from J
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GearGuy2001
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If you guys want to start a pissing match, doing through PMs. This isn't a place for it.
Although it is a pissing match the information is very factual in basis.
Tucker Ive noticed that in your last post you state how you sell it in a package deal, I dont see how it is much more affordable then an MM airbox,80mm MAF, and a Tune.
Ive read through most of your posts and you always stated how it was much more affordable but now that you are saying a tune is recommended I just dont see how it is much more affordable.
Also Lonnie(snakedmark8) has done alot of tunes for Crownvic's in fact I would take a gamble and say that 75% of people on this website with tunes have tunes from Lonnie so it would be a good guess to say that he knows about rev limits and how the af curve is, Im not sure how you can dispute someone who specializes in these types of vehicles, I think you need to embrace his advice and possibly offer a Fully enclosed box with 80mm MAF
Edited by GearGuy2001 (02/21/08 08:27 PM)
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#1403736 - 02/21/08 08:28 PM
Re: New intake for Crown Vic and Grand Marq from J
[Re: GearGuy2001]
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Eric91Z
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Registered: 03/08/04
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If you guys want to start a pissing match, doing through PMs. This isn't a place for it. Although it is a pissing match the information is very factual in basis. Tucker Ive noticed that in your last post you state how you sell it in a package deal, I dont see how it is much more affordable then an MM airbox,80mm MAF, and a Tune. Ive read through most of your posts and you always stated how it was much more affordable but now that you are saying a tune is recommended I just dont see how it is much more affordable. Also Lonnie(snakedmark8) has done alot of tunes for Crownvic's in fact I would take a gamble and say that 75% of people on this website have tunes from Lonnie so it would be a good guess to say that he knows about rev limits and how the af curve is, Im not sure how you can dispute someone who specializes in these types of vehicles, I think you need to embrace his advice and possibly offer a Fully enclosed box with 80mm MAF
I am pretty sure that Jay is stating that the tune is specifically needed for the '05 Mustang setup - not the Crown Vic. I am pretty sure he is still standing by his earlier statements that no tune is needed for the Crown Vics.
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#1404334 - 02/22/08 01:48 PM
Re: New intake for Crown Vic and Grand Marq from J
[Re: Tucker]
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SnakedMark8
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Jay,
You can call Lonnie, just like everyone else. I didn’t come into this thread at all to bash you or your products. There are some things that I don’t agree with in dyno graph and I’ve posted them, plan and simple. I’ve even invited other tuners to look at the graph and they agree with what I pointed out along with the hot air problem with CAI. Unfortunately they don’t want to get dragged into a possible flame war. I don’t want it to go that way either. It may be best if we talked on the phone that way we don’t take each others wording the wrong way.
By the way, yes I am a tuner. I was tuning in the early 90s and then met Jerry W and Chris J of SCT. I was using the SCT software before there was an SCT and am one of the first SCT dealers. Jerry taught me the correct way of tuning over the old way of band-aid or fooling the PCMs.
Like I’ve said before I’m glad you have taken the steps to come up with something for the Panthers. My main concern is the hot air and possibly offering a setup for the 80mm MAF also. You have the resources where others don’t or they are too big and see little gain to a small market. I know you have enclosed systems, I’ve seen them and tuned one so it shouldn’t be that difficult to come up with something for the CV/GM. Your enclosed kits and the ones that put the filter in the fender work great like I’ve said before. I’ve even recommended your kits over the chrome metal ones to customers. But if you are only going to offer something like or less than what K & N offers that allows the hot air in where’s the point? People can just purchase a MAF adaptor, conical filter and a sheet of plexi-glass for $100 and do it that themselves. I know theirs a cost consideration also and who’s going to pay $$$ for something like this. I don’t know, you have the resources so you would be the one that knows whether it’s cost effective or not. I’ve designed a few automotive parts myself and then had to have an outside sources machine the parts for me. This wasn’t’ cost effective at all when bigger companies than mine can copy it and build it in house and sell it cheaper than I could have it machined for.
Don't start pushing BS to the members here about us.
if you put a JLT or any kit on a 05-up GT without a tune your showing your knowalage of the new MAF. There is NO WAY I would tell you it dosen't need adjusting as it's common knowalge and plastered all over the site, directions and customer recipt. Doing that and driving the car is amazing. Sorry for your customer. Also, your a tuner correct? Shouldn't you be able to do the tune for any CAI kit? SCT, Diablo, Superchips and Hypertech all have the files. If your a tuner you should have them as well. We offer it as a package with the programmer for that very reason. Buy the package and save some money or bring it to a reputable tuner to tune it for you.
As for the 05 MAFs, I know all about how they work. Let me better explain the situation. The customer bought a brand new 05, one of the first 1000 he claims. I set him up with a couple programs, mail order. Then he calls me back after installing your CAI complaining that the car was in limp home mode. I explained to him that he can’t just change intakes on these vehicles since the MAF tolerances are very narrow. Any slight change in intake will effect these vehicles. So he wanted me to fix his programming. I at the time hadn’t even seen your CAI for these cars. I contacted SCT to see if anyone had a file for your CAI, they didn’t know of anyone. I then contacted your office to see if I could get a file. I don’t know who it was I talked to but they told me your kits don’t require any tuning. Maybe who ever I talked to misunderstood me, either way I called it quits and ended up making the adjustments by walking the customer through the data logging software while he did pulls on a dyno. Not the easiest way and not as accurate as if I had the vehicle in person. I probably shouldn’t have brought it up and I apologize for it. As you have stated it is now common knowledge on most of the forums, back then it wasn’t. Very few people and tuners even realized this. I still get calls to this day over this and have to point them to different threads or to SCT tech to verify what I’m telling them. Some think it’s a ploy to get more money out of them.
The CV kit leaned out .5 or less. That is not 10+ RWHP. Please!
12.0 AF isn't correct on a CV huh? You actually think I tuned it and made 189 RWHP stock. That's pitiful power with a tune.
Tested and installed correctly all our kits will either keep the stock A/F, go slightly rich or lean by no more then a half a point. In this case here the car will make more power, breather easier, pick up MPG and be a full point in the safe zone.
This is what I’ve been trying to explain to a majority of people hear and other sites about CAI kits. Part of the increase hp is from leaning out the a/f ratio. Some lean them out ever so slightly and so they don’t make as much power as the ones that will lean out a full point sometimes more. I also go on to explain to them on since they have now skewed the MAFs metering they have also changed the PCMs calculations for load and then the spark and fuel tables. On some vehicles the change is dramatic enough to effect the transmission. Not saying yours do this, I’m talking about CAI kits in general.
The dyno graph I posted earlier is typical of what I have seen on almost every single Panther I’ve dynoed. I have no idea how many I’ve done, through the years. From when I first started tuning with Jerry during dyno days I’ve seen the same results. The a/f is all over the place. Now they’ve gotten better in the later years, 04+. But these early ones don’t seem to have a very good calibration from the start. The factory has they set up from 11.2 – 12.5 depending on the calibrations. I know you know that just because the fuel tables are set at a said ratio it doesn’t mean that’s what you are going to get since the MAF has to be modeled to the induction system. So if the MAF isn’t modeled correctly you will not get the a/f that is in the tables.
For those that are reading this, modeling is an engineering term for calibrating the induction system to the engine. The factory does this with every new vehicle or if they have made changes to the engine or induction that they think would require remodeling. In simple terms they set the base fuel table to where they want the a/f to be at. Then calibrate the MAF by the transfer function to get the same a/f that they are commanding at the base fuel table. They have to do this in steps by the load and rpm to fill in each cell of the base fuel table. It takes some time but once they are finished they have a model of the induction system and these calibrations are then used in the production programming.
As we all know there are variation or tolerance limits put into the production of vehicles. Because of this the programming can allow for the various changes to a point also. In the link I posted earlier about MAFs I touch on this. You can end up with one vehicle that runs at 11.2 and another at 9.8 in open loop WOT. Open loop means the vehicle runs off the MAF and base fuel tables and no input from the O2 sensors. Now granted the a dirty MAF or air filter will also throw off the a/f. This is way I always recommend people clean the MAF and have a fresh or clean filter installed. The examples I just explained are part of why you’re a/f ratio will not follow the base fuel tables.
Any time you change the induction it will effect the model and should be addressed. Some changes in the induction won’t have as much of an effect as others. I know from testing the FIPK for a Panther comes out to .8. That’s almost a full point. So if you had your vehicle dyno tuned fully and the tuner actually modeled it correctly then you put the FIPK on you would end up running leaner than you should. Where as if the vehicle was stock that leaner condition would be good and would actually help produce more power. But like I said it also skews the input from the MAF to the PCM. The MAF thinks there’s less air coming in so it leans your a/f ratio.
Even just installing a conical filter will cause changes to the induction model.
So what I’m saying Jay is out of all the years I’ve been tuning I’ve never seen a CV hold a completely flat a/f ratio. And most will run in the 11s close to 10. Some like the one I linked will go even richer. The vehicle had a brand new paper filter, the MAF was cleaned, new plugs and a set of matched 19lb injectors I had sitting around.
That vehicle in my dyno graph is the 225 hp version offered in 98. They had a 235 also that came with a knock sensor. All the others were 200 and 205 hp for that year. The 02 CV in the dyno graph is said to be a Sport which is the 235 version. I’ve tuned more of these vehicles than I can remember. I know what they will put out stock since most of my dyno tune customers want to see a before and after. The 98 vehicle put out a couple hp less than average than I’ve seen with these. 155 hp is what is commonly seen for this engine when rated at 225. The 02 Sports that I’ve done I normally see 175 or less, average is 165. So I’m quite surprised to see almost 190 from a completely stock CV. These vehicle just don’t put out high hp numbers.
I don’t sell very many of the Marauder setup but I do a lot of tuning with them and do recommend them. They have been proven over and over and currently is the only real choice these guys and gals have for NA performance. I don’t feel at all that you are stepping on my toes. I’ve even thought about carrying your products but most of your stuff is custom (paint wise). Like I’ve said I’ve sent customers to you in the past. I have no problem with you building something for the Panthers. I just think it needs to be enclosed and you should offer one for the 80mm also. Something simple raps around the MAF/filter so only air from the front can enter. I’m a tuner first, the only reason I offer the Marauder setup is at the customers requests. Some just want to buy everything from one place instead of multiple. I actually tune more Panthers without the Marauder setup than with one. Of these most are either running a K & N panel filter or the FIPK.
For the majority of Panther owners they will do an intake and exhaust. Perfect. That's what were here for. 99% will not come close to pegging the MAF. 99% will not do a PI head swap, 99% will not do a blower.
If you are, then I agree 100%, upgrade to the 80 or 90 for that matter, but for the majority this will work great. Sorry, but 8-10 HP for $600 is a LOT of money if you don't need it. It just is.
I agree with you that most won’t go beyond an intake and mufflers. But there are still a lot that will go with a custom program for one reason of another. That’s where I get called. Most want more performance, better shifts and some mileage. They get a lot more than 8 – 10 hp for $600. When they order a programmer or chip with the Marauder MAF they aren’t just ordering a completely stock program with the MAF calibrations. You are taking the numbers out of text. Those numbers are if only the MAF calibrations were programmed alone. No one has ever purchased programming from me with only the MAF calibrations. Why would anyone want to do that when they can have a performance program that increases their hp by 15 – 30 depending on octane and model. And like I said before, that MAF also increases mileage and gives much better throttle response and fuel control. That’s much different than a CAI can do. Look I’m not trying to say one is better than the other or which is more cost effective You are doing that by pushing the only 8 -10 hp for $600 when you know they are actually getting more than that with the programming. You came up with a cheaper alternative for these guys that requires no tuning, that’s great. These guys need something like this.
I’m on all those sites but one by the way so I now your work.
They don’t have to install the PI heads to peg the MAF. Most won’t go so far as to install these heads since that’s a lot of work for the average person and they are afraid of the cam timing procedures. They will and do swap to the PI intake though and this will peg the stock MAF. It looks as though we are going to agree to disagree about under hood heat. I know what I know and have tested and proven it over and over. You are claiming the same. I can have dozens of other tuners that agree with me and have done the same. You can also do the same for your side I imagine. This is why I try and stay out of any posts that have anything to do with CAI. It always ends the same way. Like I said there should be a separate forum just for this because it is one of the most common debates here.
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#1404504 - 02/22/08 06:03 PM
Re: New intake for Crown Vic and Grand Marq from J
[Re: SnakedMark8]
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Bradley G
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Well it is an interesting topic.
I believe it keeps getting attention because it is easy to install, cheap and misunderstood.
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#1404617 - 02/22/08 08:14 PM
Re: New intake for Crown Vic and Grand Marq from J
[Re: Bradley G]
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Jony
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jerry from sct omg. garbage. i remember when hearing he was the [censored]. then once a few cars herein ohio got screwed up with garbage tunes at a place called dynotech were he did tunning once a month their for fords
i was their for a few of these tunning secsions. and it came down to if he could not tuen a car within 3 pulls its off the dyno and onto the next one. or the car must have some problems.
my buddy bradas 96 cobra motor took a dump while getting tuned by jerry.
had a big blower on it at like 12 psi on the stock cobra motor with bolt ons. the knock sensors started to knock. and then the motyor shut down. here it was over timed. eat the pistons alive. and timing was found uot to be the issue.
im not trying to bash jerry all that much but last time i heard it ran to florida were he is on perman vacation..
i would rather have some backyard tuner tune my car then jerry from all i have seen. so hopefully when he was a good tuner is when you learned stuff. if not i feel sorry for cars ya tuned.
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#1405037 - 02/23/08 01:20 PM
Re: New intake for Crown Vic and Grand Marq from J
[Re: Jony]
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DodgeRider
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jerry from sct omg. garbage. i remember when hearing he was the [censored]. then once a few cars herein ohio got screwed up with garbage tunes at a place called dynotech were he did tunning once a month their for fords
i was their for a few of these tunning secsions. and it came down to if he could not tuen a car within 3 pulls its off the dyno and onto the next one. or the car must have some problems.
my buddy bradas 96 cobra motor took a dump while getting tuned by jerry.
had a big blower on it at like 12 psi on the stock cobra motor with bolt ons. the knock sensors started to knock. and then the motyor shut down. here it was over timed. eat the pistons alive. and timing was found uot to be the issue.
im not trying to bash jerry all that much but last time i heard it ran to florida were he is on perman vacation..
i would rather have some backyard tuner tune my car then jerry from all i have seen. so hopefully when he was a good tuner is when you learned stuff. if not i feel sorry for cars ya tuned.
Learning theory and the application of it is one thing... try not to bee too critical upon someone because their teacher made a few mistakes... I assure you that the tuners we deal with the majority of the time on this site produce a very good quality product. I've been in two Lonnie tuned vehicles, one was my 01.....
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The Tire Decision Guide
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