#1879242 - 10/09/09 08:19 AM
Re: Toyota Hybrids may be banned in US
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Moby_Vic
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They will likely hide it all like theire recalls, flops, etc. And just pay off the people. Sounds like Ford and GM.
 Ford recalls in particular are always top stories and front page news.
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#1879264 - 10/09/09 08:51 AM
Re: Toyota Hybrids may be banned in US
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msgtord
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I had an aftermarket floor mat in my 00 Expedition and it caused the throttle to stick once. Just once! After that I took my knife and carved out a big chunk under the peddle so it would not happen again. Having learned my lesson, I test all floor mats to insure that at full throttle, the pedal does not come in contact with the mat.
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#1879270 - 10/09/09 09:00 AM
Re: Toyota Hybrids may be banned in US
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PeeSeventyOne
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I had an aftermarket floor mat in my 00 Expedition and it caused the throttle to stick once. Just once! After that I took my knife and carved out a big chunk under the peddle so it would not happen again. Having learned my lesson, I test all floor mats to insure that at full throttle, the pedal does not come in contact with the mat.
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Yes. I've checked for this in every car I've owned. As for recall campaigns... every car manufacturer has had 'em. I worked at Porsche, Audi, and Volkswagen dealers as parts technician, service adviser, and mechanic. No one's immune and no one produces a perfect car sans recalls.
Although the zip-tie image is good for miles of smiles.
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#1879371 - 10/09/09 12:01 PM
Re: Toyota Hybrids may be banned in US
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98Gdmarq
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But the 'tards that love and buy jap cars will continue to complain how evil Ford GM and Chrysler are, but ignore what their precious jap automakers do. And now China basically owns us, ugh... Yeah like Ford, GM or Chrysler never infringed on anyone's patents  They do it all the time and probably still do to this day. How does your intermittent wipers work?  James
Thank you for supporting my argument, as soon as there is any mention of Japanese automakers doing any wrong, the subject immediately gets changed to "well GM, Ford and Chrysler did this or that..." and my favorite "I had to take my 1972 Chevrolet back to the dealer three times so I will never buy Domestic again, whaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, whhaaaaahhhh, help me Ralph Nader!" 
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#1879549 - 10/09/09 03:33 PM
Re: Toyota Hybrids may be banned in US
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04RauderDTR
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Just add another $5k on the cost of the stupid thing. The eco-green-hippy-libs will pay whatever the cost is to support their eco-snobbery.
Asian companies in general are VERY bad about patent infringement, they copy technology all the time over there as their legal system does not really allow for the ownership of ideas.
My company put a Portal Wheel Lathe in Qiqihar, China in the late eighties. Even though they were building 5 more facilities, they never bought another one. I saw a picture in a publication years later that showed one of their new facilities and an exact copy of our machine, even some things that were not intentional. The Chinese has reverse engineered the machine and completely rewritten the software code and then duplicated them for themselves even though we owned the design patent and pattern programming technology. Yep, that is Asians for you, a friend of mine said they sent a machine his company was selling to Japan in 2001 timeframe and it was returned and had obviously been tampered with. A couple years later at a Tradeshow, he saw a copy of it. But the 'tards that love and buy jap cars will continue to complain how evil Ford GM and Chrysler are, but ignore what their precious jap automakers do. And now China basically owns us, ugh... Yeah like Ford, GM or Chrysler never infringed on anyone's patents They do it all the time and probably still do to this day. How does your intermittent wipers work? James At least when GM, Chrysler or Ford have a recall issued, they actually 'FIX' the issue. Instead of what Toyota's doing with the whole Floormat deal... As their dealer authorized fix is to ziptie the damned floormats to the seat.   http://jalopnik.com/5377355/your-new-lexus-floor-mats-will-look-like-crap/gallery/http://jalopnik.com/5376828/toyota-fixing-deadly-killer-floor-mats-with-zip-ties Let alone the frame rust issues with Tundra's, Tacoma's, and FJ Cruisers... Do you know how many TSB's their are for the big 3 on floor mats? Look it up, you would be AMAZED!  Toyota fixes the problems with the frames on the Tacoma's. The Tundra and FJ's do not have rust frame issues so I do not know where you got that from, probably just to bash Toyota since you are an ignorant Ford nut swinger.
toyota's "fix" for the tacoma is either to deny that their is a problem , or buy your truck back and destroy it....
And, if you take your tacoma in for service, and they say your frame is unsafe, they wont let you leave with the truck... that you own... your truck...
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#1879591 - 10/09/09 04:16 PM
Re: Toyota Hybrids may be banned in US
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Bretsuaz
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Just add another $5k on the cost of the stupid thing. The eco-green-hippy-libs will pay whatever the cost is to support their eco-snobbery.
Asian companies in general are VERY bad about patent infringement, they copy technology all the time over there as their legal system does not really allow for the ownership of ideas.
My company put a Portal Wheel Lathe in Qiqihar, China in the late eighties. Even though they were building 5 more facilities, they never bought another one. I saw a picture in a publication years later that showed one of their new facilities and an exact copy of our machine, even some things that were not intentional. The Chinese has reverse engineered the machine and completely rewritten the software code and then duplicated them for themselves even though we owned the design patent and pattern programming technology. Yep, that is Asians for you, a friend of mine said they sent a machine his company was selling to Japan in 2001 timeframe and it was returned and had obviously been tampered with. A couple years later at a Tradeshow, he saw a copy of it. But the 'tards that love and buy jap cars will continue to complain how evil Ford GM and Chrysler are, but ignore what their precious jap automakers do. And now China basically owns us, ugh... Yeah like Ford, GM or Chrysler never infringed on anyone's patents They do it all the time and probably still do to this day. How does your intermittent wipers work? James At least when GM, Chrysler or Ford have a recall issued, they actually 'FIX' the issue. Instead of what Toyota's doing with the whole Floormat deal... As their dealer authorized fix is to ziptie the damned floormats to the seat. http://jalopnik.com/5377355/your-new-lexus-floor-mats-will-look-like-crap/gallery/http://jalopnik.com/5376828/toyota-fixing-deadly-killer-floor-mats-with-zip-tiesLet alone the frame rust issues with Tundra's, Tacoma's, and FJ Cruisers...
Yes, Ford is the most ethical automobile manufacturer in the world. Everything they do is with the customer in mind (as long as it doesn't cost them any money). After all, the lawsuits will be cheaper to settle in the long run rather than actually fix the problem.
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#1879728 - 10/09/09 07:54 PM
Re: Toyota Hybrids may be banned in US
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SilverSport
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Toyota fixes the problems with the frames on the Tacoma's. The Tundra and FJ's do not have rust frame issues so I do not know where you got that from, probably just to bash Toyota since you are an ignorant Ford nut swinger.
We are starting to see some serious rust on the earlier (2000-2002) Tundras. Had one in a month ago whose rear end housing was rusted through and seeping gear oil. That same vehicle had a hole in the frame horn that the trans x-member bolts to. Toyota bought the housing and labor. We sent them back the part for engineering analysis. If you do a search on it you'll see that people north of us (NY) are definitely having frame rust problems on the Tundra, especially where the rack bolts to the crossmember. We are replacing 3-5 frames a month at our shop on 2001-2004 Tacomas and at least that many a month are being bought back on the earlier (1995-2000)trucks. This is costing Toyota some serious bucks. Every frame job we do is a $12000 claim between parts and labor. Dealers to the north of us are doing a lot more frames than we are. I think Toyota is doing a damn good job at raising their hand, saying they screwed up and trying to make things right.
IMO this whole floor mat issue is BS. If the correct for the car mat is properly secured by the retainers then there is no danger. Period. It's when people double stack mats or use mats that are too big for the application the trouble occurs. It seems common sense has no place in driving a vehicle anymore and that the manufacturer has all the liability in making sure you can't do something stupid. I was raised in a time where if the throttle stuck on your vehicle and the mat was bunched up under it, then it was your own damn fault for being stupid. Sorry, but thats the way I still feel.
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#1879750 - 10/09/09 08:28 PM
Re: Toyota Hybrids may be banned in US
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PeeSeventyOne
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Jeff Dunham's act says is best regarding hybrids:
Jeff Dunham video clip.
Rented this guy's dvd one night after my girlfriend's older son told us about him. Friggin' hilarious!
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#1879782 - 10/09/09 09:05 PM
Re: Toyota Hybrids may be banned in US
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Ezbok58a
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Toyota fixes the problems with the frames on the Tacoma's. The Tundra and FJ's do not have rust frame issues so I do not know where you got that from, probably just to bash Toyota since you are an ignorant Ford nut swinger.
Go screw yourself, buddy 
FJ Cruisers have a major issue with the welds on the unibody rusting severely, Toyota itself keeps it quiet, much like they keep the rusty Tacoma and Tundra Frames quiet. The weld rust throughs on the FJ are rampant on the early ones, not as bad as the most current one but they're still there, they still rust through weakening the chassis of the vehicle.
Toyota set out in the 80's to become as big as GM, and they have...problem is that they're now having the same issues GM had that led them to where they are today.
I still don't see Ford, GM, Chrysler, or even Honda issuing a fix for something that involved the use of zipties.
Cause that's what you want on your 50k lexus, zipties to make sure your floormat doesn't wedge under the pedal and kill you.
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#1879858 - 10/09/09 10:48 PM
Re: Toyota Hybrids may be banned in US
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PeeSeventyOne
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Not to further stir the pot... but doesn't Toyota own Lexus?
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#1879862 - 10/09/09 10:55 PM
Re: Toyota Hybrids may be banned in US
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Moby_Vic
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Lexus is a division of Toyota created for the US market. They even made up the word!
Toyoda thinks the floor mat issue is a big deal, and thinks the company has bigger problems:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/business/global/03toyota.html
Mr. Toyoda said his company was shamefully unprepared for the global economic crisis that has devastated the auto industry, and is a step away from “capitulation to irrelevance or death.” The company, he added, is “grasping for salvation.”
Surely the high residual value of their used vehicles will save them!
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If I paid top dollar for a Lexus and they pulled that out and said we'll fix it, I'd be so pissed.
