.
Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and secure! registry | CVN on Facebook | tech | links | news | email login | chat Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and secure!


Welcome to CVN - Your Panther platform headquarters!


Custom Search


Topic Options
#1978100 - 02/12/10 10:37 AM 2 CEL Codes (P016B & P2106)
GhostRider Offline

Posting Addict

Registered: 04/14/03
Posts: 15107
Loc: (Area of) Columbus, Ohio USA
Today I got 2 CEL codes

P2106 - TAC System Forced Limited Power
P016B - Manf Cntrl Fuel Air Metering, Auxiliary Emission Controls

What could these be?

I am also getting an intermittant Powertrain Malfunction Indicator light (litte wrench icon)

My Scanguage II with X-Guage picked these Parameter Identifications Descriptors (PID's) up as well:

PID03 - Loop Open
PID04 - LOD (Engine Loading) 18
PID05 - WT *F 184
PID0B - MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) PSI 8.9
PID0C - RPM 2045
PID0D - MPH 70
PID0E - IGN (Ignition Timing) 13
PID0F - IAT *F 22
PID10 - GPH (Gallons Per Hour) 2.47
PID11 = TPS (Throttle Position Setting) 16

So whats all this mean?
_________________________
-Tim

1997 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (12-23-02 to 11-21-07)
2006 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (7-11-07 to 8-31-13)
2013 Ford Taurus Limited (8-31-13 to Present)

Top
Links
#1978749 - 02/13/10 02:15 AM Re: 2 CEL Codes (P016B & P2106) [Re: GhostRider]
GhostRider Offline

Posting Addict

Registered: 04/14/03
Posts: 15107
Loc: (Area of) Columbus, Ohio USA
Ok so I think my definition of the 2 CEL codes are wrong as I used a 2003 CV list for reference. I have the Actron software that came with my code reader and it only goes to 2003 and Actron said it doesnt need to put out an update yet.

Anyway, Can anyone help?
_________________________
-Tim

1997 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (12-23-02 to 11-21-07)
2006 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (7-11-07 to 8-31-13)
2013 Ford Taurus Limited (8-31-13 to Present)

Top
#1979540 - 02/14/10 02:11 AM Re: 2 CEL Codes (P016B & P2106) [Re: GhostRider]
Eaglegcil Offline
Rookie

Registered: 04/05/09
Posts: 79
Loc: Illinois
well, my research showes your 2106 is an issue with the Drive By Wire system, since your 06 doesn't use a throttle cable. i would suggest taking her to a dealer. i've got a detailed list of ford OBDII used in 06, and the p016B is blank, so i can't help you on that one.

P2106:Throttle Actuator Control System - Forced Limited Power
P016B:BLANK

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't this auto a Flex Fuel car? i'm not up on the newer fuel systems after 02


Edited by Eaglegcil (02/14/10 02:12 AM)
_________________________
1998 Mercury Grand Marquis LS
--2004 Tail Lights
--Blacked Out Tail Panel
--Head light relay addon setup
--Future J-Mod
--HPP Rims (Looks Great!)
--Few scratch repairs to come...

Top
#1979582 - 02/14/10 03:23 AM Re: 2 CEL Codes (P016B & P2106) [Re: Eaglegcil]
GhostRider Offline

Posting Addict

Registered: 04/14/03
Posts: 15107
Loc: (Area of) Columbus, Ohio USA
Not a flex fuel car. I think the 09+ are flex fuel. I have an appointment for 8am Monday. I just was looking to see what it may be.

I am also curious as to what those things mean that the ScanGuage is putting out.
_________________________
-Tim

1997 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (12-23-02 to 11-21-07)
2006 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (7-11-07 to 8-31-13)
2013 Ford Taurus Limited (8-31-13 to Present)

Top
#1979599 - 02/14/10 04:31 AM Re: 2 CEL Codes (P016B & P2106) [Re: GhostRider]
Eaglegcil Offline
Rookie

Registered: 04/05/09
Posts: 79
Loc: Illinois
those are operational peramiters that the computer uses to decide what modes different parts are in, how much fuel to give the engine, air ect.
_________________________
1998 Mercury Grand Marquis LS
--2004 Tail Lights
--Blacked Out Tail Panel
--Head light relay addon setup
--Future J-Mod
--HPP Rims (Looks Great!)
--Few scratch repairs to come...

Top
#1979743 - 02/14/10 10:53 AM Re: 2 CEL Codes (P016B & P2106) [Re: Eaglegcil]
Big_Bad_Joe Offline
Poobah

Registered: 12/12/01
Posts: 8412
Loc: Rochester NY
flex fuel has nothing to do with your problems at all.

That is the code for a problem with the throttle control unit. WHen it senses an error it will cut power to the motor to prevent what is happening to Toyota with the sudden acceleration.

This is one to let the dealer look at unless you know a really well equipped shop that has some background in the wire systems....(none around here thats for sure)

My guess is corrosion or malfunction the pedal assembly itself...

by the way my 2006 is a flex fuel vehicle...
_________________________
2006 LX with HPPBlue, Light Camel Interior,Magnaflow Exhaust,PI Zip Tube
Underdrives from ADTR.net
Pioneer AVIC X930BT Nav system, JL xD400/4amp, JL Speakers, Audiovox backup camera
Given to DG in Ohio

2013 Ford Expedition Limited EL, Pearl White

2000 HPP RESURECTION RIP 8/17/2012 died in Dayton OH

Top
#1980010 - 02/14/10 05:05 PM Re: 2 CEL Codes (P016B & P2106) [Re: Big_Bad_Joe]
GhostRider Offline

Posting Addict

Registered: 04/14/03
Posts: 15107
Loc: (Area of) Columbus, Ohio USA
I didnt see Flex Fuel on my window sticker.
_________________________
-Tim

1997 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (12-23-02 to 11-21-07)
2006 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (7-11-07 to 8-31-13)
2013 Ford Taurus Limited (8-31-13 to Present)

Top
#1980571 - 02/15/10 09:03 AM Re: 2 CEL Codes (P016B & P2106) [Re: GhostRider]
GhostRider Offline

Posting Addict

Registered: 04/14/03
Posts: 15107
Loc: (Area of) Columbus, Ohio USA
Ok, took the car in today at 7:30 AM and got it back around 9:30 AM.

Here are the codes defined (per my invoice)

P061B - Throttle Calculation
P2106 - Throttle Forced Limited Power

 Originally Posted By: Ford Tech's Notes

CUSTOMER STATES CHECK ENGINE LIGHT IS ON
POWER TRAIN MALFUNCTION LITE WAS ON
WRENCH LITE

RUN PCM SELF TEST AND RECIEVED CODES P061B (THROTTLE CALCULATION) AND P2106 (THROTTLE FORCED LIMITED POWER). CHECK PID DATA< PER SSM 20767 AND TSB 07-22-6 FOUND AIR FILTER BOX NOT SEALED, CORRECTLY REPOSITION AIR FILTER AND TOP HALF AND CLEARED CODE AND ROAD TESTED OK AT THIS TIME


Here is the link to the TSB

Ford TSB 07-22-6

I dont have anything for SSM (Special Service Message) 20767 as I dont have access to an OASIS.

I didnt have to pay for this because they replaced the air filter at my last service and figured it was their error. I love my Ford dealer!
_________________________
-Tim

1997 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (12-23-02 to 11-21-07)
2006 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (7-11-07 to 8-31-13)
2013 Ford Taurus Limited (8-31-13 to Present)

Top
#1980573 - 02/15/10 09:07 AM Re: 2 CEL Codes (P016B & P2106) [Re: GhostRider]
Nomad8326 Offline
A suspicious mind is a healthy mind.
Poobah

Registered: 02/03/08
Posts: 6082
Loc: Ohio
Does the TSB really apply to you?

if not your just wasting time with it.
_________________________
2008 CVPI - Salem City Police Unit
2004 Explorer XLS
2005 CVPI - Black Lake Township PD #6 - SOLD

Oil Cooler Hose Replacement, Slow/Inoperative Window Repair - Cleaning Switches 95-02, 92+ Fuel Pump Replacement w/o Tank Drop, Broken Seat Bolt Repair, Vinyl Decal/Sticker Removal Tips

Top
#1980610 - 02/15/10 10:00 AM Re: 2 CEL Codes (P016B & P2106) [Re: Nomad8326]
GhostRider Offline

Posting Addict

Registered: 04/14/03
Posts: 15107
Loc: (Area of) Columbus, Ohio USA
Why wouldnt it apply to me?

They already fixed the issue free of charge as I said.
_________________________
-Tim

1997 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (12-23-02 to 11-21-07)
2006 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (7-11-07 to 8-31-13)
2013 Ford Taurus Limited (8-31-13 to Present)

Top
#1980680 - 02/15/10 10:59 AM Re: 2 CEL Codes (P016B & P2106) [Re: GhostRider]
ShireHorse Offline
Climber

Registered: 11/27/07
Posts: 511
Loc: Evansville, IN
 Originally Posted By: GhostRider
Not a flex fuel car. I think the 09+ are flex fuel. I have an appointment for 8am Monday. I just was looking to see what it may be.

I am also curious as to what those things mean that the ScanGuage is putting out.


In case you have to tell in the future, some 06+ Models are Flex Fuel Vehicles.

It will be denoted by the 8th VIN position.

The non flex fuel will be VIN code "W" in the eighth VIN position.

The Flex Fuel Capable motor will be indicated by a "V" in the eighth VIN position.

I puzzled over mine for a good hour before I reached a solid conclusion. Hope this helps in the future.

~Shire
_________________________


2006 P71, Ohio State Highway Patrol, Cocaine White. 393k mi

Member: 06+ CVPI wheel cover club

OIF 08

Top
#1980689 - 02/15/10 11:15 AM Re: 2 CEL Codes (P016B & P2106) [Re: ShireHorse]
GhostRider Offline

Posting Addict

Registered: 04/14/03
Posts: 15107
Loc: (Area of) Columbus, Ohio USA
Mine isnt a flex fuel vehicle
_________________________
-Tim

1997 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (12-23-02 to 11-21-07)
2006 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (7-11-07 to 8-31-13)
2013 Ford Taurus Limited (8-31-13 to Present)

Top
#1980717 - 02/15/10 11:42 AM Re: 2 CEL Codes (P016B & P2106) [Re: GhostRider]
Nomad8326 Offline
A suspicious mind is a healthy mind.
Poobah

Registered: 02/03/08
Posts: 6082
Loc: Ohio
 Originally Posted By: GhostRider
Why wouldnt it apply to me?

They already fixed the issue free of charge as I said.


The TSB is for a warped airbox. Is yours warped?

If its not and they just guessed the that air filter then it might be something else.
_________________________
2008 CVPI - Salem City Police Unit
2004 Explorer XLS
2005 CVPI - Black Lake Township PD #6 - SOLD

Oil Cooler Hose Replacement, Slow/Inoperative Window Repair - Cleaning Switches 95-02, 92+ Fuel Pump Replacement w/o Tank Drop, Broken Seat Bolt Repair, Vinyl Decal/Sticker Removal Tips

Top
#1980734 - 02/15/10 12:07 PM Re: 2 CEL Codes (P016B & P2106) [Re: Nomad8326]
GhostRider Offline

Posting Addict

Registered: 04/14/03
Posts: 15107
Loc: (Area of) Columbus, Ohio USA
 Originally Posted By: Nomad8326
 Originally Posted By: GhostRider
Why wouldnt it apply to me?

They already fixed the issue free of charge as I said.


The TSB is for a warped airbox. Is yours warped?

If its not and they just guessed the that air filter then it might be something else.


Its not warped or damaged. The TSB says its for an "improperly sealed air box" which this was. Nevertheless, they applied it and it was free.
_________________________
-Tim

1997 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (12-23-02 to 11-21-07)
2006 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (7-11-07 to 8-31-13)
2013 Ford Taurus Limited (8-31-13 to Present)

Top



Moderator:  dRock96Marquis, Liquid 
Who's in Chat??
Google!
Who's Online
10 registered (filthyboatguy, Hachibill, 2008P74, juzza, cat69, chrmaka), 84 Guests and 71 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Shout Box

Email Login
EMail Login Name
Password
 New users, sign up!
Top Posters (30 Days)
BigMerc96 152
Ezbok58a 144
road_pizza 132
a_d_a_m 120
BlackVic_P71 112
ponyguy 107
73vwTodd 85
aknox077 83
Chaplian 81
KayTar 81
Featured Member
Registered: 06/19/05
Posts: 4184





Copyright 2000-2013 by Crownvic.net and Steve Spaulding. All Rights Reserved.
The photographs, graphics and data contained in this Web site are the properties of the contributors, or Crownvic.net and may not be used without expressed written consent.
Crownvic.net is not affiliated with the Ford motor company.

Happily consuming the fuel saved by Prius owners!