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#2116512 - 08/15/10 11:05 AM Spotlight Install
TFCfan2021 Offline
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Registered: 01/10/10
Posts: 53
Loc: Pittsbugh, PA
Hey folks...

You guys that run spotlights on your Vics, do you get any trouble with the Police? I'm already getting harassed by local PD for my tint and my car "looking like a police car" when its basically stock and not even a P71 and has NO markings whatsoever of Police Interceptor! I know some people run spotlights and even pushbars, but how does that go with the Police when they see you? I don't wanna go to jail for impersonating. I'm from Pittsburgh, PA so I'm sure your laws may be different than mine but I don't believe there are any against having a spotlight or pushbar, if trucks can have them why not a car?

Also, Anyone have any idea how to install one on a P73 2001? Thanks!
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#2116523 - 08/15/10 11:18 AM Re: Spotlight Install [Re: TFCfan2021]
flyboy Offline
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Registered: 07/23/05
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Loc: Chillicothe, Mo
I was born & raised in Pa (Uniontown) & at that time (1950s) there wasn't a problem. I even had a spotlight on my first car. The best way to save yourself some grief is to check the state specs regarding pushbars & spotlights. I'm sure the state has a website that you can so a search on. By adding those 2 items you will immediately attract attention from the LEOS. I have owned 3 Crown Vics (93, 99 & a 04 Sport) & have never had a problem with law enforcement. Adding those items puts you in what is called here a "Wacker or a Wannabe". Just enjoy the car that you have. Your tint might be too dark for state limits could be the reason you are so popular with the police. Someone under the age of 40 driving a Crown Vic has been known to sound alarms to the police.
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#2116531 - 08/15/10 11:31 AM Re: Spotlight Install [Re: flyboy]
towrecker Offline
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Registered: 08/05/10
Posts: 43
Loc: tennessee
hello, another point not mentioned about this topic , we say it as a joke in tennessee , but it's very true , if your vic looks nice , is nice and clean , tinted windows , all 4 hubcaps ,and tires all blacked up and shinny , you never draw a lot of attention , let it get dirty , or yank the caps off ,and we are on ya like stink on ...you know ...and that car looks like an under cover street app. car , ad a pusher , and a spotlight , the word FAKE flashes big , be careful , tick off one chick on the highway ,and you might not like a view with bars , not a joke !
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#2116535 - 08/15/10 11:38 AM Re: Spotlight Install [Re: TFCfan2021]
AdamStryker Offline
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Registered: 02/03/08
Posts: 3103
Loc: West Point, Ms
 Originally Posted By: TFCfan2021
Hey folks...

You guys that run spotlights on your Vics, do you get any trouble with the Police? I'm already getting harassed by local PD for my tint and my car "looking like a police car" when its basically stock and not even a P71 and has NO markings whatsoever of Police Interceptor! I know some people run spotlights and even pushbars, but how does that go with the Police when they see you? I don't wanna go to jail for impersonating. I'm from Pittsburgh, PA so I'm sure your laws may be different than mine but I don't believe there are any against having a spotlight or pushbar, if trucks can have them why not a car?

Also, Anyone have any idea how to install one on a P73 2001? Thanks!

http://www.unityusa.com/Revised%20New%20...NSTRUCTIONS.pdf

My advice install at your own risk if you get cited take it off and sell it.

Good Luck
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#2116560 - 08/15/10 12:07 PM Re: Spotlight Install [Re: AdamStryker]
SPM Offline
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Registered: 09/10/09
Posts: 1468
Loc: Wisconsin
I have had no trouble at all with either the MD state troopers or the local county sheriffs. It's more about how you drive the car than what you're driving. Since I don't fly up and down the road dodging in and out of traffic, they don't bother me.

I will say that I've heard many stories about police departments in Pennsylvania bugging people who drive retired police cruisers. Even though yours isn't even a P71, I guess it's close enough for them. The window tint is probably an issue for them; I don't think adding a spotlight is a good idea, but that's your call.
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#2116585 - 08/15/10 12:42 PM Re: Spotlight Install [Re: SPM]
TFCfan2021 Offline
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Registered: 01/10/10
Posts: 53
Loc: Pittsbugh, PA
The tint I suppose is "illegal" per say, but its not much darker than your typical SUV or Truck rear windows. Its a shame they can call theirs "stock" but our poor cars don't come standard with tint on the rears and back windows. Its funny, I had even DARKER tint on my 95 Jimmy and was never was pulled over. Oh well, I guess it comes with the car lol
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#2116586 - 08/15/10 12:44 PM Re: Spotlight Install [Re: TFCfan2021]
TFCfan2021 Offline
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Registered: 01/10/10
Posts: 53
Loc: Pittsbugh, PA
Plus like you said SPM, I drive normal. I dont drive up on people asses or do anything suspicious. I love my car. It gets better treatment than I do. Most people pass me on the highway and don't even think twice.
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#2116591 - 08/15/10 01:08 PM Re: Spotlight Install [Re: TFCfan2021]
Nomad8326 Offline
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Registered: 02/03/08
Posts: 6104
Loc: Ohio
Spotlights are illegal in PA. We have had many many many threads over this is the lounges.
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#2116616 - 08/15/10 02:17 PM Re: Spotlight Install [Re: Nomad8326]
Steve99CVPI Offline
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Over the Hill

Registered: 02/15/08
Posts: 3804
Loc: Greenfield, WI/Chicago, IL
Why would you want to wreck a beautiful car such as yours by drilling a hole in the pillar, notching out the door and mangling your bumper cover with holes for a push bumper?
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#2116634 - 08/15/10 02:42 PM Re: Spotlight Install [Re: Steve99CVPI]
TFCfan2021 Offline
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Registered: 01/10/10
Posts: 53
Loc: Pittsbugh, PA
I was just curious... I am def not doing that to my car. Its practically spotless, the old guy I bought it off of kept it spotless! Thanks for the compliment tho!
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#2116636 - 08/15/10 02:43 PM Re: Spotlight Install [Re: Nomad8326]
bobby351c Offline
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Registered: 04/25/10
Posts: 289
Loc: usa
 Originally Posted By: Nomad8326
Spotlights are illegal in PA. We have had many many many threads over this is the lounges.


IIRC the wording is very funny in the law. Easily interpreted either way.
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#2116639 - 08/15/10 02:44 PM Re: Spotlight Install [Re: Steve99CVPI]
Drac Offline
Mr. Smug
Over the Hill

Registered: 03/19/10
Posts: 3056
Loc: Cali
my car has dual soptlights as well as a stupid number on my front bumper,(see sig. picture) and here locally ive never been harassed, suprisingly. granted now and them i get looks from police/CHP but ive never been stopped and WTF'd about any of it.

i would have to agree with steve03 on what he said though. if your pillar(s) already have holes in them or a light, that's one thing, but i definitely wouldn't put a hole in them to mount a light that in all reality you probably wont use that much. as a matter of fact, i kind of wish my car didn't have dual spots on it. thew were cool in the beginning, now they are just annoying. i may take them out eventually, but i'm up in the air.
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#2116647 - 08/15/10 02:57 PM Re: Spotlight Install [Re: Drac]
SPM Offline
Over the Hill

Registered: 09/10/09
Posts: 1468
Loc: Wisconsin
I'm sort of in the same boat. If it were easily accomplished and covered up, I'd probably yank my spotlight out. About all it does right now is scare people into going really slow when I'm behind them, even though I'm keeping my distance.

Spotlights are illegal in PA?? Someone's gonna have to explain that to me.
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#2116655 - 08/15/10 03:17 PM Re: Spotlight Install [Re: SPM]
Nomad8326 Offline
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Registered: 02/03/08
Posts: 6104
Loc: Ohio
 Originally Posted By: jmlock
Ok, I found where spotlights are prohibited. It appears to be in section 173.3 (9)

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/067/chapter173/chap173toc.html

 Quote:
(8) Utility lights. Clear or white forward or side facing steady burning utility lights (that is, take down, alley, spotlight) may not be used as a visual signal for purposes of 75 Pa.C.S. 3325. These lights may be used while the vehicle is in motion or stationary for the purpose of an emergency, for the safety of the public, or in the enforcement of the law.

(9) Other lights. A vehicle, other than those identified in this chapter, may not be equipped with lights or systems identical or similar to those specified by this subsection, except that school buses and urban mass transit buses which will be used for carrying school children may be equipped with flashing lights as permitted by 75 Pa.C.S. 4552(b) and 4553(a) (relating to general requirements for school buses; and general requirements for other vehicles transporting school children), and Chapters 15 and 171 (relating to school buses; and school buses and school vehicles).


http://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1961919#Post1961919
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#2116657 - 08/15/10 03:21 PM Re: Spotlight Install [Re: Drac]
WSTRLNG Offline
Over the Hill

Registered: 10/16/09
Posts: 4465
Loc: Plymouth, New Hampshire, USA
I thought NH law was vague, but from past posts about PA law, it takes the cake.

Sounds like CVN'ers form PA need to petition together to amend the law or at least clarify the meaning of it.

In NH we have to get state inspected every year with plate renewals. VIP Auto was offering free state inspections so I bit.
They already knew my car since they were the ones that replaced my exhaust manifolds. I knew there was nothing that would make the car fail, but I did have a hunch that the spotlight would be the only issue.
I had looked up RSA 266:37 (state regulations) for New Hampshire and it states:

 Quote:
266:37 Spot Lamps and Auxiliary Lamps.
I. Any motor vehicle may be equipped with not to exceed 2 spot lamps and every lighted spot lamp shall be so aimed and used that no part of the high intensity portion of the beam will strike the windshield, or any windows, mirror, or occupant of another vehicle in use, except that a spot lamp may be used by a police officer to illuminate the interior of a vehicle being stopped from the rear.

II. Any motor vehicle may be equipped with not to exceed 3 auxiliary driving lamps mounted on the front at a height not less than 12 inches nor more than 42 inches above the level surface upon which the vehicle stands, with such measurements to be made from the ground to the center of the lens, except that vehicles while used in the winter maintenance of ways may be driven with auxiliary head lamps higher than 42 inches above the surface upon which the vehicle stands provided such head lamps shall be aimed so that the top of the beam of light produced by these head lamps does not exceed the height of a horizontal line which is 42 inches high at a distance of 75 feet ahead of the head lamps of said vehicle.

III. Every spot lamp and auxiliary driving lamp shall be approved by the director.


My mistake was that I did not have it printed with me at the time. I had to wait for 2 hours total for this tool to look and measure and look and measure. I could see him through the window and was getting pissed! He said that my spotlight was not legal because it was higher than 42 inches. He had a copy of this RSA himself.

Keep in mind that it CAME WITH THE CAR from the FACTORY with it on. Here's the funny part. In NH, you have to have all factory safety equipment working, so I had to have the spotlight operational.

DILEMMA (for him)

I explained that spot lamps and auxiliary lamps are not the same and that he is not to interpret the law, just follow it.
He ended up calling the State Police and had an Trooper tell him that they were IN FACT LEGAL and I asked "the tool" to write all that info the Trooper said along with his name on the inspection sheet so that next year (2010) I don't have to deal with this again.

Lesson learned... I now carry in my envelope with all my records, a copy of RSA 266:37 just in case.

Don't be afraid to do something when you know it is right, just be ready to back up what you say and do.
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