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#2591377 - 09/05/12 02:49 PM 5.0 Coyote Motor
BrianD93 Offline
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can this motor fit in a 03-04 p71. anybody attempt to do it
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#2591382 - 09/05/12 02:56 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Though I do appreciate your enthusiasm, I would probably wait until you have a panther before you make any more threads about performance engine swaps.
This is a topic which has been discussed ad nauseam on this forum and I am sure that you could find some great results using the search feature.
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#2591394 - 09/05/12 03:16 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BillyBishop]
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The motor, transmission, and wiring harness will cost at least $10k. Plus you'd have to sink another thousand or so into upgrading the suspension. Better wheels and tires, custom driveshaft, beefed up differential, clutch pedal assembly, tune, and of course the actual car itself, and you're crawling all over $25,000. Which, by the time you get it finished, will be the price of a clean 5.0 Mustang. There's a reason nobody has done this swap.
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#2591407 - 09/05/12 03:34 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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#2591409 - 09/05/12 03:44 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I'll be doing the swap as soon as I win the lottery.

But in all seriousness, I think the only affordable way to do the swap would be to buy a wrecked 5.0 Mustang and use parts from that.
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#2591421 - 09/05/12 04:01 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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It's just a matter of time until the price drops on these swaps. The EcoBoost six will probably be a viable swap in the future as well. They are already pretty cheap.

What's the performance difference between a Mustang 5.0L and an F150 5.0L. Car-Part has 3 F150 5.0L listed right now. All for less than $4000. Less than 15K miles each as well. FRPP sells the wiring harness. The block is narrower. The mounts are compatible. 4.6l oil pans are compatible as well.

We are just waiting for the salvage price to come down. People say it's pricey only because they are comparing apples to oranges. Comparing a salvage Cobra swap to a 5.0L crate swap is two different things. I bet a Cobra crate will really set you back too.

I think that the really interesting thing about the Coyote is the production numbers. In the end I think there will be a lot more Coyote's rolling around than there ever were Cobra's.
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#2591467 - 09/05/12 05:15 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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The problem I believe with this type of thread is that, I would say 1 out of 400 of these pipe dream threads even happens. This thread, much like many other in high performance section are complete hypothetical situations.

People like me, Dan the Vic man, quickvic30 to name a few all get tired of it, then we come across as the bad guy because we're trying to maintain order. And then people with actual first hand experience stop posting because they're annoyed with it. Especially when we give advice based on ACTUAL experience, and then the people don't like the answer they got, and then the thread gets ugly. If threads like this got shut down, newer members would learn that pipe dream threads are not tolerated in a tech section.
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#2591497 - 09/05/12 06:35 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I'll say it again as I've said countless times before in countless other 5.0 pipe dream threads - the engine is as wide as a 5.4 DOHC. It's 4x more expensive and 4x more fab work. For something that's probably only twice as fun, at best.
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#2591520 - 09/05/12 07:15 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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as it's been said

anything is possible in life if you spend enought money
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#2591531 - 09/05/12 07:35 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Black_Sunshine]
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Originally Posted By: Black_Sunshine


We are just waiting for the salvage price to come down. People say it's pricey only because they are comparing apples to oranges. Comparing a salvage Cobra swap to a 5.0L crate swap is two different things. I bet a Cobra crate will really set you back too.

I think that the really interesting thing about the Coyote is the production numbers. In the end I think there will be a lot more Coyote's rolling around than there ever were Cobra's.


The stock power outputs will be comparable, but you won't be able to put 600HP through a stock coyote block I don't think.

Fair point though for apples to apples engine swaps.
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#2591548 - 09/05/12 08:17 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Black_Sunshine]
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Originally Posted By: Black_Sunshine

I think that the really interesting thing about the Coyote is the production numbers. In the end I think there will be a lot more Coyote's rolling around than there ever were Cobra's.


Well seeing as how the coyote is the new GT, that should go without saying. The BOSS 5.0 would be a better Cobra comparison.

As you mentioned its only a matter of time before they start turning up. But three years? Five years?How late is too late for a platform that is already extinct?

Lets face it, this isn't the heyday of muscle cars when you could rod anything that came off the production line 40 years ago. This car is a service vehicle first, family sedan second. There's only a few dozen people in the world going performance mod apes*** with these cars, Cameron and Pier the most recent examples.

If anyone is going to do it they need to commit. That's the problem with pipe dream threads. Nobody ever commits. Don't talk about it. Just do it. Put in the work, the time the effort. Hit the books and the forums. Read, learn. The information is out there. Maybe not all in one place. But snippits of information. It's up to the builder to figure out the puzzle. Cameron didn't have to ask anyone how to put a Chevy LS motor in a Vic. He committed himself to it and did it. Pier didn't have to ask anyone how to put a manual trans in a Vic. He committed to it and he did it. This is the difference between BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS TECH and PIPE DREAMS.
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#2591551 - 09/05/12 08:21 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Captain_Slow]
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Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow
The stock power outputs will be comparable, but you won't be able to put 600HP through a stock coyote block I don't think.
My girlfriend's brother with a 2.8 kenne bell just made 560 on pump gas in 90 degree heat and 620 on 102 unleaded race gas in the same heat. Both on just 10 lbs of boost.
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#2591552 - 09/05/12 08:22 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: prodigalson]
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Originally Posted By: prodigalson
Cameron didn't have to ask anyone how to put a Chevy LS motor in a Vic. He committed himself to it and did it. Pier didn't have to ask anyone how to put a manual trans in a Vic. He committed to it and he did it. This is the difference between BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS TECH and PIPE DREAMS.
Quoted for truth.
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#2591559 - 09/05/12 08:36 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I gotta say that I was far from being a pioner abouth the 5 speed swap so I give credits to thoses who did before me.

As for the 5.4 wich is relatively a straight foward swap I had to figure things all by myself. Now that I got headers modified I can say that things are getting more involved and yeah blopd and sweat were part of the header instalation laugh
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#2591560 - 09/05/12 08:39 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow
The stock power outputs will be comparable, but you won't be able to put 600HP through a stock coyote block I don't think.
My girlfriend's brother with a 2.8 kenne bell just made 560 on pump gas in 90 degree heat and 620 on 102 unleaded race gas in the same heat. Both on just 10 lbs of boost.


On a stock bottom end coyote or on a terminator?
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