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#2591377 - 09/05/12 01:49 PM 5.0 Coyote Motor
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can this motor fit in a 03-04 p71. anybody attempt to do it
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#2591382 - 09/05/12 01:56 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Though I do appreciate your enthusiasm, I would probably wait until you have a panther before you make any more threads about performance engine swaps.
This is a topic which has been discussed ad nauseam on this forum and I am sure that you could find some great results using the search feature.
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#2591394 - 09/05/12 02:16 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BillyBishop]
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The motor, transmission, and wiring harness will cost at least $10k. Plus you'd have to sink another thousand or so into upgrading the suspension. Better wheels and tires, custom driveshaft, beefed up differential, clutch pedal assembly, tune, and of course the actual car itself, and you're crawling all over $25,000. Which, by the time you get it finished, will be the price of a clean 5.0 Mustang. There's a reason nobody has done this swap.
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#2591407 - 09/05/12 02:34 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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#2591409 - 09/05/12 02:44 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I'll be doing the swap as soon as I win the lottery.

But in all seriousness, I think the only affordable way to do the swap would be to buy a wrecked 5.0 Mustang and use parts from that.
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#2591421 - 09/05/12 03:01 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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It's just a matter of time until the price drops on these swaps. The EcoBoost six will probably be a viable swap in the future as well. They are already pretty cheap.

What's the performance difference between a Mustang 5.0L and an F150 5.0L. Car-Part has 3 F150 5.0L listed right now. All for less than $4000. Less than 15K miles each as well. FRPP sells the wiring harness. The block is narrower. The mounts are compatible. 4.6l oil pans are compatible as well.

We are just waiting for the salvage price to come down. People say it's pricey only because they are comparing apples to oranges. Comparing a salvage Cobra swap to a 5.0L crate swap is two different things. I bet a Cobra crate will really set you back too.

I think that the really interesting thing about the Coyote is the production numbers. In the end I think there will be a lot more Coyote's rolling around than there ever were Cobra's.
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#2591467 - 09/05/12 04:15 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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The problem I believe with this type of thread is that, I would say 1 out of 400 of these pipe dream threads even happens. This thread, much like many other in high performance section are complete hypothetical situations.

People like me, Dan the Vic man, quickvic30 to name a few all get tired of it, then we come across as the bad guy because we're trying to maintain order. And then people with actual first hand experience stop posting because they're annoyed with it. Especially when we give advice based on ACTUAL experience, and then the people don't like the answer they got, and then the thread gets ugly. If threads like this got shut down, newer members would learn that pipe dream threads are not tolerated in a tech section.
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#2591497 - 09/05/12 05:35 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I'll say it again as I've said countless times before in countless other 5.0 pipe dream threads - the engine is as wide as a 5.4 DOHC. It's 4x more expensive and 4x more fab work. For something that's probably only twice as fun, at best.
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#2591520 - 09/05/12 06:15 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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as it's been said

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#2591531 - 09/05/12 06:35 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Black_Sunshine]
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Originally Posted By: Black_Sunshine


We are just waiting for the salvage price to come down. People say it's pricey only because they are comparing apples to oranges. Comparing a salvage Cobra swap to a 5.0L crate swap is two different things. I bet a Cobra crate will really set you back too.

I think that the really interesting thing about the Coyote is the production numbers. In the end I think there will be a lot more Coyote's rolling around than there ever were Cobra's.


The stock power outputs will be comparable, but you won't be able to put 600HP through a stock coyote block I don't think.

Fair point though for apples to apples engine swaps.
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#2591548 - 09/05/12 07:17 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Black_Sunshine]
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Originally Posted By: Black_Sunshine

I think that the really interesting thing about the Coyote is the production numbers. In the end I think there will be a lot more Coyote's rolling around than there ever were Cobra's.


Well seeing as how the coyote is the new GT, that should go without saying. The BOSS 5.0 would be a better Cobra comparison.

As you mentioned its only a matter of time before they start turning up. But three years? Five years?How late is too late for a platform that is already extinct?

Lets face it, this isn't the heyday of muscle cars when you could rod anything that came off the production line 40 years ago. This car is a service vehicle first, family sedan second. There's only a few dozen people in the world going performance mod apes*** with these cars, Cameron and Pier the most recent examples.

If anyone is going to do it they need to commit. That's the problem with pipe dream threads. Nobody ever commits. Don't talk about it. Just do it. Put in the work, the time the effort. Hit the books and the forums. Read, learn. The information is out there. Maybe not all in one place. But snippits of information. It's up to the builder to figure out the puzzle. Cameron didn't have to ask anyone how to put a Chevy LS motor in a Vic. He committed himself to it and did it. Pier didn't have to ask anyone how to put a manual trans in a Vic. He committed to it and he did it. This is the difference between BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS TECH and PIPE DREAMS.
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#2591551 - 09/05/12 07:21 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Captain_Slow]
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Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow
The stock power outputs will be comparable, but you won't be able to put 600HP through a stock coyote block I don't think.
My girlfriend's brother with a 2.8 kenne bell just made 560 on pump gas in 90 degree heat and 620 on 102 unleaded race gas in the same heat. Both on just 10 lbs of boost.
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#2591552 - 09/05/12 07:22 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: prodigalson]
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Originally Posted By: prodigalson
Cameron didn't have to ask anyone how to put a Chevy LS motor in a Vic. He committed himself to it and did it. Pier didn't have to ask anyone how to put a manual trans in a Vic. He committed to it and he did it. This is the difference between BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS TECH and PIPE DREAMS.
Quoted for truth.
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#2591559 - 09/05/12 07:36 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I gotta say that I was far from being a pioner abouth the 5 speed swap so I give credits to thoses who did before me.

As for the 5.4 wich is relatively a straight foward swap I had to figure things all by myself. Now that I got headers modified I can say that things are getting more involved and yeah blopd and sweat were part of the header instalation laugh
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#2591560 - 09/05/12 07:39 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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Originally Posted By: CameronVic
Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow
The stock power outputs will be comparable, but you won't be able to put 600HP through a stock coyote block I don't think.
My girlfriend's brother with a 2.8 kenne bell just made 560 on pump gas in 90 degree heat and 620 on 102 unleaded race gas in the same heat. Both on just 10 lbs of boost.


On a stock bottom end coyote or on a terminator?
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#2591583 - 09/05/12 08:11 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Captain_Slow]
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This mustang made 700+ rwhp and 630rwtq on 8.5psi from a Hellion Turbo kit.

Impressive as hell... stock bottom end as well.
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#2591597 - 09/05/12 08:28 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Captain_Slow]
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Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow
On a stock bottom end coyote or on a terminator?
2011 5.0.

There's a video on youtube somewhere of a centrifugal blower 5.0 with longtubes and a whole ton of boost that makes over 900 at the wheels with a built 4R70W that almost makes an entire 1/4 mile pass before the motor lets go. I can't find it right now.
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#2591610 - 09/05/12 08:46 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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The easiest swap would be to go with the BOSS50 iron big bore then stroke it with some nice trick flow heads and cam and longtubes headers. 13-14k easy.
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#2591615 - 09/05/12 08:52 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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Originally Posted By: CameronVic
Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow
On a stock bottom end coyote or on a terminator?
2011 5.0.

There's a video on youtube somewhere of a centrifugal blower 5.0 with longtubes and a whole ton of boost that makes over 900 at the wheels with a built 4R70W that almost makes an entire 1/4 mile pass before the motor lets go. I can't find it right now.


Lol. That's not unimpressive.
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#2591748 - 09/06/12 06:37 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: prodigalson]
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Originally Posted By: prodigalson
If anyone is going to do it they need to commit. That's the problem with pipe dream threads. Nobody ever commits. Don't talk about it. Just do it. Put in the work, the time the effort. Hit the books and the forums. Read, learn. The information is out there. Maybe not all in one place. But snippits of information. It's up to the builder to figure out the puzzle. Cameron didn't have to ask anyone how to put a Chevy LS motor in a Vic. He committed himself to it and did it. Pier didn't have to ask anyone how to put a manual trans in a Vic. He committed to it and he did it. This is the difference between BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS TECH and PIPE DREAMS.


Also quoted for truth.
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#2591928 - 09/06/12 03:36 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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these Coyotes don't have a provision for Power Steering is the biggest hurdle to be solved yet. the F-150s mustangs all of them have EPAS. not to mention Computer control, you need a ECU that will control the Coyote motor IN a Panther body.



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#2592006 - 09/06/12 05:38 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Several companies such as Flaming River offer standalone electronic assist steering systems. If you're going to spend 20k on a build, heck, what's another 5?
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#2592018 - 09/06/12 05:59 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: prodigalson]
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If you're swapping in a Coyote motor you probably have enough skill and know-how to fab a mount for your power steering pump.
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#2592068 - 09/06/12 07:50 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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Originally Posted By: CameronVic
Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow
The stock power outputs will be comparable, but you won't be able to put 600HP through a stock coyote block I don't think.
My girlfriend's brother with a 2.8 kenne bell just made 560 on pump gas in 90 degree heat and 620 on 102 unleaded race gas in the same heat. Both on just 10 lbs of boost.


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http://pickupspluscars.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=5208

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7_ELe4JOSk&feature=youtu.be

I got periodic email updates and some awesome pictures of broken parts. My favorite was the destroyed driveshaft.

Paid this guy to tune my truck because I wasn't smart (or brave) enough to do it.
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#2592072 - 09/06/12 08:05 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: JeffBoudah]
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Originally Posted By: JeffBoudah
This mustang made 700+ rwhp and 630rwtq on 8.5psi from a Hellion Turbo kit.

Impressive as hell... stock bottom end as well.
5.0 Mustang & Super Fords


I know a guy up in Albany that has a 2VModular mustang that's got 702 RWHP on a huge supercharger. That car was a beast.
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#2592089 - 09/06/12 08:35 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Just slap a SC on the panther and take down some lightly modded 5.0's ;), for half the price of the coyote swap.
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#2592101 - 09/06/12 09:03 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Please show me a supercharged panther that's taking down lightly modded 5.0s.
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#2592124 - 09/06/12 09:51 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Mine will when its done.

The point though. Is that like MAYBE ten people on here have serious builds that they did themselves. I don't even count people that have cars built for them.

That's why we don't take this type of thread seriously most of the time.
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#2592130 - 09/06/12 09:53 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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#2592139 - 09/06/12 10:02 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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Originally Posted By: CameronVic
Please show me a supercharged panther that's taking down lightly modded 5.0s.


This^^. All the broken part driveline part (pressure plate twisting off flywheel, clutches destroyed in diff, pretzeled driveshaft) emails I got were pre-supercharger. I would consider a home-made cat delete pipe, cat back exhaust, and a cold air kit lightly modded-but heavily tuned...

I wish I could remember how many hours he said he had on the dyno before the car had 5000 miles on it.

Can't find the email with his best ET before the blower, do know he did a couple 12 second shootouts and did come close to breaking out a couple times. Did find the 12.07@117.85 the same weekend as the driveshaft incident.

And he daily drives it to the shop (when he isn't driving his supercharged F150).
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#2592143 - 09/06/12 10:12 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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Originally Posted By: CameronVic
Please show me a supercharged panther that's taking down lightly modded 5.0s.


I'm working on it, Cameron! grin
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#2592158 - 09/06/12 10:31 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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mm.net?

Theres a decent number of guys in there running low 12s/11s.
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#2592167 - 09/06/12 10:49 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CNGInterceptor]
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Originally Posted By: CameronVic
Please show me a supercharged panther that's taking down lightly modded 5.0s.


I'm working on it, Cameron! grin
You don't count John, lol. What I was saying is that "just slapping a blower on a stock panther and smoking lightly modded 5.0s" is only gonna happen in the land of narnia.
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#2592172 - 09/06/12 10:55 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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^ I know man! And LOL at the "land of narnia" comment. We talked about this earlier via text messaging - these threads just get really irritating after a while...
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#2592176 - 09/06/12 11:01 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I mean come on. I have a friend with a 2011 california special (3.31s) and he has a boss intake, a short shifter, and a tune. THAT's IT!! Oh, and drag radials, not slicks. He does the 8th in 7.65, and he won't have to shift into 5th in the 1/4 with those gears, which puts him at a low 12, high 11. (I went 7.52 in the 8th when i went 11.85) I can think of like 3 crown vic's that are HEAVILY modded that can compete with that, and there's a list of like 11 marauders that do that. And not a one of them has "a supercharger slapped on"
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#2592177 - 09/06/12 11:01 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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So does that mean the only affordable swap is the 5.4?
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#2592178 - 09/06/12 11:02 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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why swap a 5.4? I proved a 4.6 is just fine! Just don't give the car 24 degrees of timing with a 125 shot!
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#2592189 - 09/06/12 11:25 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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Originally Posted By: CameronVic
What I was saying is that "just slapping a blower on a stock panther and smoking lightly modded 5.0s" is only gonna happen in the land of narnia.


We don't have enough members with supercharged panthers to make a baseline comparison.

A stock 2011 runs at best 12.8. A 2013 is probably another 3 tenths faster minimum. There are plenty of trilogy blown marauders in the mid to low 12s...but they have 4vs.

It's a doable project...but we won't know till we actually have a few members with blown panthers to compare.
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#2592208 - 09/07/12 12:00 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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Sorry for being off topic but I demand more pics of NGreens car. Right now. Please point me in the right direction


you prolly won't see any more pics until Nick has made some serious progress. I believe he is focusing more on his car than on the forums at the moment.
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#2592228 - 09/07/12 03:07 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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Originally Posted By: CameronVic
Please show me a supercharged panther that's taking down lightly modded 5.0s.


Dude, see sig my Co-worker has a white California special, steeda tune, intake,exhaust,short shift, boss 302 manifold, he dynoed at 417HP 344TQ on a dynojet. I got him by a car in a roll. I posted a thread about it a lil while back which got closed.

They are nice cars but not insanely fast until u get deeper with mods. My other Co-worker has a tune only 135I and he also beat him from a dig. And before you say he cant drive, he has beat cars too, just not mine wink
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#2592230 - 09/07/12 04:58 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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why swap a 5.4? I proved a 4.6 is just fine! Just don't give the car 24 degrees of timing with a 125 shot!


Why not swap a 5.4 I can potentialy prove that a 5.4 can be better laugh

wink
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#2592361 - 09/07/12 01:25 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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#2592362 - 09/07/12 01:28 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: nyinterceptor]
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Dude, see sig my Co-worker has a white California special, steeda tune, intake,exhaust,short shift, boss 302 manifold, he dynoed at 417HP 344TQ on a dynojet. I got him by a car in a roll. I posted a thread about it a lil while back which got closed.

They are nice cars but not insanely fast until u get deeper with mods. My other Co-worker has a tune only 135I and he also beat him from a dig. And before you say he cant drive, he has beat cars too, just not mine wink
apples to oranges. I bet he was on the stock 245 street tire. Let him put a steamroller tire on like you have and you're gonna get walked. And if he doesn't walk you, then yes, he either can't drive, or something is horribly wrong with his tune.
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#2592393 - 09/07/12 03:02 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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apples to oranges. I bet he was on the stock 245 street tire. Let him put a steamroller tire on like you have and you're gonna get walked. And if he doesn't walk you, then yes, he either can't drive, or something is horribly wrong with his tune.


Now you're putting stipulations on a panther that's beating Mustangs? You asked, he answered, now you say it wasn't a fair fight. For once in this thread there's no benchracing, and you're bench racing. wtf
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#2592403 - 09/07/12 03:32 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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#2592410 - 09/07/12 03:43 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Ezbok58a]
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Originally Posted By: Ezbok58a
Now you're putting stipulations on a panther that's beating Mustangs? You asked, he answered, now you say it wasn't a fair fight. For once in this thread there's no benchracing, and you're bench racing. wtf


You do have a point.
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#2592424 - 09/07/12 04:14 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: NGreen0807]
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Now you're putting stipulations on a panther that's beating Mustangs? You asked, he answered, now you say it wasn't a fair fight. For once in this thread there's no benchracing, and you're bench racing. wtf


You do have a point.


It happens every once in a while.

Although making an assumption on a Supercharged 2v vs a 5.0 is still all gray area. There aren't that many supercharged panthers we can pull from and compare times. All we have is the Marauder guys, and that's not the same thing.
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#2592434 - 09/07/12 04:39 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I guess his car came from the factory with 315s, a stall, built trans, and the list goes on, and all he had to "slap a blower on it" and he was beating "lightly modded 5.0s". Yea, that's what happened
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#2592476 - 09/07/12 06:16 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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I guess his car came from the factory with 315s, a stall, built trans, and the list goes on, and all he had to "slap a blower on it" and he was beating "lightly modded 5.0s". Yea, that's what happened


There was never a stipulation that the Panther 'just has a blower strapped to it'

And quite honestly, would you just slap some boost on a bone stock car and be done with it? Say if I put a blower on my car tomorrow does my experiences with 5.0's not count because I have gears and exhaust?

The few panthers that are on here that have blowers on them, don't 'just' have blowers on them.
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#2592483 - 09/07/12 06:23 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Exactly^, all blowers require supporting mods to run safely and efficiently.

His car has like 285's out back with 20” 3 piece wheels which actually hurt his performance.
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#2592492 - 09/07/12 07:04 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Ezbok58a]
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Originally Posted By: Ezbok58a
It happens every once in a while.

Although making an assumption on a Supercharged 2v vs a 5.0 is still all gray area. There aren't that many supercharged panthers we can pull from and compare times. All we have is the Marauder guys, and that's not the same thing.


13.99 1/4th mile. Blown different stall tq converter 3.73 posi bigger injectors tranny tuned to shift quicker and a can of octane booster.

Whats the times for coyotes?

Just trying to make it possible for us to compair
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#2592497 - 09/07/12 07:11 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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Originally Posted By: Ezbok58a
It happens every once in a while.

Although making an assumption on a Supercharged 2v vs a 5.0 is still all gray area. There aren't that many supercharged panthers we can pull from and compare times. All we have is the Marauder guys, and that's not the same thing.


13.99 1/4th mile. Blown different stall tq converter 3.73 posi bigger injectors tranny tuned to shift quicker and a can of octane booster.

Whats the times for coyotes?

Just trying to make it possible for us to compair

No offense but your car is a very poor comparison. There's been a handful of guys who have ran nearly a full second faster than your NA with a stock long block.
Cameron was one of them.
Your car should really be like 2 seconds faster than it is. In my opinion it is either poorly built or has some very serious issues.
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#2592502 - 09/07/12 07:16 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BillyBishop]
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Originally Posted By: ajdereicup
Originally Posted By: Ezbok58a
It happens every once in a while.

Although making an assumption on a Supercharged 2v vs a 5.0 is still all gray area. There aren't that many supercharged panthers we can pull from and compare times. All we have is the Marauder guys, and that's not the same thing.


13.99 1/4th mile. Blown different stall tq converter 3.73 posi bigger injectors tranny tuned to shift quicker and a can of octane booster.

Whats the times for coyotes?

Just trying to make it possible for us to compair

No offense but your car is a very poor comparison. There's been a handful of guys who have ran nearly a full second faster than your NA with a stock long block.
Cameron was one of them.
Your car should really be like 2 seconds faster than it is. In my opinion it is either poorly built or has some very serious issues.


I'm guessing the stock exhaust manifolds the stock throttle body and MAF plus I think the intake has too much heatsoak going so far in the engine bay over where the radiator fan blows out. And the car isn't intercooled which sucks
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#2592509 - 09/07/12 07:30 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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Whats the times for coyotes?

Just trying to make it possible for us to compair


Coyote's run 12.8-12.9 unknown on the 2013s which have 420hp over 412hp.

What's hurting your times is the intake, exhaust and the lack of an inter cooler. Although I am not an expert, nor do I play one on the Internet I would imagine if you took care of those three things you should be at the high 12s if not mid 12s.
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#2592510 - 09/07/12 07:35 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Ezbok58a]
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Whats the times for coyotes?

Just trying to make it possible for us to compair


Coyote's run 12.8-12.9 unknown on the 2013s which have 420hp over 412hp.

What's hurting your times is the intake, exhaust and the lack of an inter cooler. Although I am not an expert, nor do I play one on the Internet I would imagine if you took care of those three things you should be at the high 12s if not mid 12s.


Yeah that's what I was figuring. But over $1k for the headers and over $1k for the intercooler setup that's not even the best etc is kind of pricey for me right now. But I am planning on it in the future
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#2592520 - 09/07/12 07:46 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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Originally Posted By: ajdereicup
Originally Posted By: Ezbok58a
It happens every once in a while.

Although making an assumption on a Supercharged 2v vs a 5.0 is still all gray area. There aren't that many supercharged panthers we can pull from and compare times. All we have is the Marauder guys, and that's not the same thing.


13.99 1/4th mile. Blown different stall tq converter 3.73 posi bigger injectors tranny tuned to shift quicker and a can of octane booster.

Whats the times for coyotes?

Just trying to make it possible for us to compair

No offense but your car is a very poor comparison. There's been a handful of guys who have ran nearly a full second faster than your NA with a stock long block.
Cameron was one of them.
Your car should really be like 2 seconds faster than it is. In my opinion it is either poorly built or has some very serious issues.


I'm guessing the stock exhaust manifolds the stock throttle body and MAF plus I think the intake has too much heatsoak going so far in the engine bay over where the radiator fan blows out. And the car isn't intercooled which sucks

Well I don't know your build but I'm fairly certain that car doesn't have the stock tb or maf. I'm not sure what intake manifold you gave but I'm sure that's not a problem. Exhaust manifolds may be a restriction but not ab extreme one. I really dont know...
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#2592525 - 09/07/12 07:50 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Ezbok58a]
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Originally Posted By: Ezbok58a
What's hurting your times is the intake, exhaust and the lack of an inter cooler. Although I am not an expert, nor do I play one on the Internet I would imagine if you took care of those three things you should be at the high 12s if not mid 12s.


oh yeah so true

as blower helps but the rest justy dosent follow the game.
But still with the numbers you are pushing you should still do better than 13.99
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#2592528 - 09/07/12 07:59 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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For him to be at 13.9 with a blower, and my car to be at 14.3 with basic bolt-ons (the exhaust is the only thing I consider not a bolt on) thers something that is off here.
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#2592531 - 09/07/12 08:01 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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Originally Posted By: ajdereicup
Originally Posted By: BillyBishop
Originally Posted By: ajdereicup
Originally Posted By: Ezbok58a
It happens every once in a while.

Although making an assumption on a Supercharged 2v vs a 5.0 is still all gray area. There aren't that many supercharged panthers we can pull from and compare times. All we have is the Marauder guys, and that's not the same thing.


13.99 1/4th mile. Blown different stall tq converter 3.73 posi bigger injectors tranny tuned to shift quicker and a can of octane booster.

Whats the times for coyotes?

Just trying to make it possible for us to compair

No offense but your car is a very poor comparison. There's been a handful of guys who have ran nearly a full second faster than your NA with a stock long block.
Cameron was one of them.
Your car should really be like 2 seconds faster than it is. In my opinion it is either poorly built or has some very serious issues.


I'm guessing the stock exhaust manifolds the stock throttle body and MAF plus I think the intake has too much heatsoak going so far in the engine bay over where the radiator fan blows out. And the car isn't intercooled which sucks


What s/c kit was put into your car?

I'd be highly suspect of anyone who spent thousands of dollars on an FI setup but couldn't be bothered to spend another few hundred on a solid aftermarket TB.

If you can't get an intercooler, water/meth injection will help considerably. It's effectively a chemical intercooler. You'll also need a dyno tune from someone who knows what they're doing. (Lonnie ftw!)


FWIW, everyone here will ignore me, but 1/4 mile trap speed is a much better indication of how fast a car is than it's ET. Your car is trapping a bit on the slow side for it's ET (14 @ 98-102 is about what I'd expect based on cars I've driven/seen/whatevered). The gears and stall are helping your launch but don't do much for top end.

The new mustangs trap around 109-112 depending on model/weight/etc.
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#2592532 - 09/07/12 08:02 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Ezbok58a]
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Originally Posted By: Ezbok58a
For him to be at 13.9 with a blower, and my car to be at 14.3 with basic bolt-ons (the exhaust is the only thing I consider not a bolt on) thers something that is off here.

well drag racing is an art and you need the drivetrain to get the best out of it.
he might have the power but the rest isnt there
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#2592545 - 09/07/12 08:08 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: 2004_p71]
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Originally Posted By: Ezbok58a
For him to be at 13.9 with a blower, and my car to be at 14.3 with basic bolt-ons (the exhaust is the only thing I consider not a bolt on) thers something that is off here.

well drag racing is an art and you need the drivetrain to get the best out of it.
he might have the power but the rest isnt there


There's something that's missing there. Although for drag racing an automatic is relatively simple. Keep OD off, and don't redlight. smile
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#2592548 - 09/07/12 08:14 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: 2004_p71]
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Originally Posted By: Ezbok58a
For him to be at 13.9 with a blower, and my car to be at 14.3 with basic bolt-ons (the exhaust is the only thing I consider not a bolt on) thers something that is off here.

well drag racing is an art and you need the drivetrain to get the best out of it.
he might have the power but the rest isnt there


Backwards. He's got the drivetrain (high stall converter, gears) for an automatic. A jmod might help a bit, but not much.

With a 96 mph trap, the power isn't there.
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#2592560 - 09/07/12 08:28 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Ezbok58a]
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Originally Posted By: Ezbok58a

There's something that's missing there. Although for drag racing an automatic is relatively simple. Keep OD off, and don't redlight. smile


Lol true I tend to compare how many passes it took me to launch properly and get better times .
the same car went from 15.0 to 14.0 because I did better during my 60' and shifting.
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#2592561 - 09/07/12 08:29 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Ezbok58a]
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Well I don't know your build but I'm fairly certain that car doesn't have the stock tb or maf. I'm not sure what intake manifold you gave but I'm sure that's not a problem. Exhaust manifolds may be a restriction but not ab extreme one. I really dont know...


This is what the guy said about his car when I bought it

2.1 Big Bore
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Running about 9psi non intercooled, 60lb injectors,
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dynoed out at 345 rwhp 360 rwtq
stock exhaust manifolds


Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow
What s/c kit was put into your car?

I'd be highly suspect of anyone who spent thousands of dollars on an FI setup but couldn't be bothered to spend another few hundred on a solid aftermarket TB.

If you can't get an intercooler, water/meth injection will help considerably. It's effectively a chemical intercooler. You'll also need a dyno tune from someone who knows what they're doing. (Lonnie ftw!)


FWIW, everyone here will ignore me, but 1/4 mile trap speed is a much better indication of how fast a car is than it's ET. Your car is trapping a bit on the slow side for it's ET (14 @ 98-102 is about what I'd expect based on cars I've driven/seen/whatevered). The gears and stall are helping your launch but don't do much for top end.

The new mustangs trap around 109-112 depending on model/weight/etc.



I was debating over methanol injection but don't want to have to keep refilling it because it is my DD in the summer.

My launches kind of suck because I don't get enough traction. I always slip at least a little it seems sometimes enough I have to let off.

Originally Posted By: Ezbok58a
There's something that's missing there. Although for drag racing an automatic is relatively simple. Keep OD off, and don't redlight. smile


What does OD do when racing if you leave it on? Does it really affect it that much? I have never taken it off whenever I've driven and I've only been to the strip 2 times so far to actually race and the OD never even crossed my mind. But then again I was nervous the first time and ended up doing a burnout in reverse 2 times:P
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#2592563 - 09/07/12 08:31 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Captain_Slow]
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Backwards. He's got the drivetrain (high stall converter, gears) for an automatic. A jmod might help a bit, but not much.

With a 96 mph trap, the power isn't there.


He got the power

I have 280 hp but 360 lbtq and we both ran similar times and trap speed.
he has around the 350 hp / tq mark.
he should be able to pull 100 mph runs with this much hp
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#2592567 - 09/07/12 08:33 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Maybe the altitude has something to do with it? Isn't higher up the air less dense and lower down the air more dense?
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#2592570 - 09/07/12 08:39 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Altitude and sea level distances do play a role, you'd perform best if the inlet air temp isn't stupid hot. Hot air + supercharger = heatsoak which will kill your times.

As example:

I ran a best of 14.3 in Feb with the outside temp at 38.

I then ran in June with the outside temp of 89 +70% humidity a best of 14.7

Same track, same mods...but the temp killed it.


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Edit Reason: Sea level, Seals have nothing to do with it
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#2592581 - 09/07/12 08:54 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Yeah that's the weird thing. Me and my dad were running in the lower 14s all day then all of a sudden out of nowhere my dad gets a 13.99. And we were hot lapping it just playing around having fun.
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#2592583 - 09/07/12 08:58 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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#2592608 - 09/07/12 09:22 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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3" intake tube, stock MAF and throttle body.


That cannot possibly be true. Stock MAF will max out way below the stated power.

You might want to take a set of calipers to your TB and measure it, along with getting the part number on the MAF and looking it up. Would be worth knowing anyway.
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#2592611 - 09/07/12 09:23 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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What does OD do when racing if you leave it on? Does it really affect it that much? I have never taken it off whenever I've driven and I've only been to the strip 2 times so far to actually race and the OD never even crossed my mind. But then again I was nervous the first time and ended up doing a burnout in reverse 2 times:P


If you do it right, it does nothing. But if you need get out of the throttle midtrack it might upshift prematurely and burn up the OD band. OD is the only gear in these transmissions that engages with a drum and band instead of a clutch. Turning off the OD switch tell tells the trans module not to engage the OD servo so you stay in third until you hit your limiters. High gears like 2.73 won't even hit third before crossing the line. It's a safety feature and a good habit to turn it off at the track in case you get into trouble. I turn mine off maybe every 4/5 times or every time I remember.
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#2592614 - 09/07/12 09:24 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Iirc the intake setup on his car is ridiculously long as well. No idea if that'd help/hurt or do nothing of importance.
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#2592616 - 09/07/12 09:25 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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My only point is that a blower only panther, or even with some supporting mods, is going to get walked by the slightestly modded coyote. Modded to me means basic bolt ons (to include a correct tire because it's pissing in the wind if you have mods and a horrible compound street tire).
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#2592620 - 09/07/12 09:29 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I completely agree with you on that cameron.

But a properly done blower panther, with full supporting mods, etc.... different story I'd think.


With a 2.73 open diff, NPI engine, basic bolt ons I can still occasionally spin my 245 width summer tires. Throw another 150 hp on top of that and you should have some serious rubber to go with it.
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#2592624 - 09/07/12 09:32 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Captain_Slow]
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post your time slips if you can it will tell more abouth your car .


http://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2566278#Post2566278

I have the 2 best ones from that day posted on the last post on it. If you can't read it let me know and I can type it up. Or type up all of them if it'll help because now I'm really wondering whats up with my car.

Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow
That cannot possibly be true. Stock MAF will max out way below the stated power.

You might want to take a set of calipers to your TB and measure it, along with getting the part number on the MAF and looking it up. Would be worth knowing anyway.


Do you think they may have swapped different ones on at the dyno because the guy didn't have aftermarket ones then he just put the stock ones back on which is ending up choking the power?

Ok good to know its just a safety precaution.

Yeah the intake starts at the drivers side headlight goes over the radiator to the passenger side then up to the firewall almost and into the blower so I'd say its a little long lol
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#2592627 - 09/07/12 09:34 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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You couldn't do the MAF swap thing for just a dyno run. If it's tuned to a different maf, you'd get a CEL and with the stock maf, lean your engine out all to hell.

You wouldn't happen to know if lidio also did the installation or just the tuning?
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#2592628 - 09/07/12 09:36 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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The guy told me he did the installation one winter and then had to have Lidio tune it 2 times because the first time he didn't have the bigger injectors. I thought I knew about my car now it just gets very very mysterious
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#2592630 - 09/07/12 09:39 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Indeed.

If you do decide to check the MAF/TB, I'm curious as to what you find.
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#2592632 - 09/07/12 09:42 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Don't have any calipers but will look for a PN on the MAF at least tomorrow when I have time. And as far as the TB goes all I know is that it is in fact a Ford one because I saw the Ford logo was stamped on it. Not sure if it was P&Ped though either. And when I took it to the track the filter was pretty filthy but that shouldn'tve hurt it that bad timewise I don't think?
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#2592635 - 09/07/12 09:48 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Not unless it was seriously plugged up.

Despite what people like to say, there really isn't that much porting or polishing to do on a single blade TB.

A ruler would work just as well, provided you can read it to half a centimeter or so (5mm).

On a totally unrelated note, you can usually find a set of digital calipers at harborfreight for 12-$15 with a coupon. They aren't the best calipers ever, but for the money its a pretty good deal. Really only worth it if you need to do any really precise measuring.
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#2592636 - 09/07/12 09:50 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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My only point is that a blower only panther, or even with some supporting mods, is going to get walked by the slightestly modded coyote. Modded to me means basic bolt ons (to include a correct tire because it's pissing in the wind if you have mods and a horrible compound street tire).


Alright, I understand now...and you're completely right. A Coyote Mustang with even a tune is a low 12 car.
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#2592645 - 09/07/12 09:59 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Captain_Slow]
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Not unless it was seriously plugged up.

Despite what people like to say, there really isn't that much porting or polishing to do on a single blade TB.

A ruler would work just as well, provided you can read it to half a centimeter or so (5mm).

On a totally unrelated note, you can usually find a set of digital calipers at harborfreight for 12-$15 with a coupon. They aren't the best calipers ever, but for the money its a pretty good deal. Really only worth it if you need to do any really precise measuring.


It had clumps of hair in it lol.

I'll keep that in mind because I'm in the market right now for a better TB seeing as he had told me it was a stock one.

Yeah harbor freight has some good deals. Not sure if I'd use their precision tools for something that needed to be absolutely precise but for things like this it'd be super handy lol
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#2592788 - 09/08/12 04:04 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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#2592801 - 09/08/12 05:55 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Captain_Slow]
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FWIW, everyone here will ignore me, but 1/4 mile trap speed is a much better indication of how fast a car is than it's ET. Your car is trapping a bit on the slow side for it's ET (14 @ 98-102 is about what I'd expect based on cars I've driven/seen/whatevered). The gears and stall are helping your launch but don't do much for top end.

The new mustangs trap around 109-112 depending on model/weight/etc.


Bingo!!!


I've never ran the Marauder in the 1/4 but it traps 85 in the 1/8 mi... Assuming the normal 20-25MPH gain for most street cars, it should trap approx 107-108 which is what the others I've seen with same setup as mine have run... Guess I better stay away from those new stangs...
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#2592802 - 09/08/12 06:00 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: GrandMarq9807]
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1/4 mile trap speed is a much better indication of how fast a car is than it's ET.

I would actually disagree with that. A trap speed is a great measure of a car's potential but if it doesn't have the time to back it up, then there's an issue somewhere.
In theory, weight, horsepower, ET, and MPH are all very much connected and if you have the weight of the car and one of the 3 other variables, you should be able to figure out what the other two are on an ideal run. Obviously there are some variables that can throw the equation off, but for the most part it's pretty reliable.
Wallace racing has some great calculators, this is one I like.
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#2592803 - 09/08/12 06:12 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BillyBishop]
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Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow

1/4 mile trap speed is a much better indication of how fast a car is than it's ET.

I would actually disagree with that. A trap speed is a great measure of a car's potential but if it doesn't have the time to back it up, then there's an issue somewhere.


True but just how many street cars out there are setup to run the optimum 1/4 mi??? Maybe one in 5000-10,000?? Just swapping a gear can easily decrease times by half second but MPH is going to remain approx same...

The calculator in the link is for a optimized vehicle which will include a RAR that would scare most CVNers...
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#2592839 - 09/08/12 08:58 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BillyBishop]
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Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow

1/4 mile trap speed is a much better indication of how fast a car is than it's ET.

I would actually disagree with that. A trap speed is a great measure of a car's potential but if it doesn't have the time to back it up, then there's an issue somewhere.
In theory, weight, horsepower, ET, and MPH are all very much connected and if you have the weight of the car and one of the 3 other variables, you should be able to figure out what the other two are on an ideal run. Obviously there are some variables that can throw the equation off, but for the most part it's pretty reliable.
Wallace racing has some great calculators, this is one I like.
http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php



It's not quite as variable with an automatic transmission, but gearing can still have a significant effect on your ET. Take a look on the CVN 1/4 mile times, there are people running almost a full second faster than me, but with the same trap speed.

For a better explanation, take a look at the "fast lists" on either corvetteforums or ls1gto and then compare their bone stock 1/4 mile times to the magazine tests for those cars. With a manual trans, how well you launch/shift can make a HUGE difference in ET, and a smaller difference in trap.
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#2592852 - 09/08/12 09:39 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Captain_Slow]
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Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow


With a manual trans, how well you launch/shift can make a HUGE difference in ET, and a smaller difference in trap.


you tell me laugh

I still dont get it how come I have a lot less hp than him but our trap speed 60' and ET are almost the same.
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#2592853 - 09/08/12 09:40 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Trap speed is a crutch used by FWD cars or anything that spins to the heavens and can't make a clean pass. This is how it's usually used; a car will make a 12.73 pass @ 133 and then the driver says "well it trapped 133, that puts me at mid to low 10s".

That would be like me saying "well, it only went 11.85, once I put a large frame 88mm on, it's going to do bottom 10s". A car does what it does, and if it spins like hell, and traps high for the ET, that's what the car does. Simple as that. You can't use a mechanical flaw as an excuse as the why the car traps like a mofo buy still runs high ETs
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#2592880 - 09/08/12 10:32 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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The Kenny Brown P2 Panther i'm sure had more than just a supercharger slapped on, but it ran a 13.8 @ 102 according to motor week back in 2002. So Even then, it's still a full second behind a stock 5.0 mustang

Look they are stuffing Coyote engines into Fox bodies. If they can do that then the Crown Vic can be done. It just takes Money.
Monster Garage made a 80's Cadillac run 10's in the 1/4. it can be done.


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#2592882 - 09/08/12 10:34 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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13.8 @ 102 could have been a potentialy mid 13's

were they running 5 speed manual trans ?
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#2592916 - 09/08/12 11:33 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Bondfreak13]
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The Kenny Brown P2 Panther i'm sure had more than just a supercharger slapped on, but it ran a 13.8 @ 102 according to motor week back in 2002. So Even then, it's still a full second behind a stock 5.0 mustang

Look they are stuffing Coyote engines into Fox bodies. If they can do that then the Crown Vic can be done. It just takes Money.
Monster Garage made a 80's Cadillac run 10's in the 1/4. it can be done.


It also only ran an M90 with 7 psi.

I dont like the weak torque the 5.0 puts out and the boss manifold kills that torque even more, it performs good only in high rpms.
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#2592925 - 09/08/12 11:38 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I wonder what leprechaunjohn's car runs. He's got an off-road H-pipe and 3.73s on his Kenny Brown. A couple other little things, too.
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#2593026 - 09/08/12 03:12 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: 2004_p71]
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13.8 @ 102 could have been a potentialy mid 13's

were they running 5 speed manual trans ?


Same 4speed automatic. But it's a M90 car, the baby supercharger
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#2593030 - 09/08/12 03:19 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: 2004_p71]
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Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow


With a manual trans, how well you launch/shift can make a HUGE difference in ET, and a smaller difference in trap.


you tell me laugh

I still dont get it how come I have a lot less hp than him but our trap speed 60' and ET are almost the same.


A 1/4 mi MPH is the average HP produced by the engine say in the 3500 to 6000 RPM range, so results depend on what the RPM range was during the run... Basically it depends on how broad the HP curve is, a sharp curve with higher peak HP will generally produce less ET & MPH than one that has a broader curve but a little less total HP...

I've never worried about what HP my cars made on the dyno(though now days in the computer age it's somewhat necessary), I just run it and then make changes as necessary to increase trap speed(I'm talking carb size, jets, timing etc)... Once that's optimized, make converter, gearing and/or chassis changes to decrease ET if necessary... Of course if you have a mostly street driver, you probably don't want 4.56 gears or a 4000 stall converter... Depending on temps, that's the reason my 5.0(Windsor) T-Bird would run 13.10s to 13.30s @ 104/105 MPH, needed more converter and gear to optimize all out ET but it's a street car first...
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#2593558 - 09/09/12 04:24 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Captain_Slow]
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Indeed.

If you do decide to check the MAF/TB, I'm curious as to what you find.


I was just looking at the MAF and on where the plug connects I see EABCDF right above where it says airflow with and arrow. Is that enough to figure out what the MAF is? There seemed like maybe a number under all that but it was covered in black goo looking stuff maybe melted black plastic?
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#2595227 - 09/12/12 12:14 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I ran a '11-'12 5.0 with my '05 4.6 stang. Both manuals. He lay the smackdown on me.

I haven't been to the strip since I originally went for the first time in 06, so I am by no means a drag expert. I have seen a roll race between a roush M90 4.6 3v and a bone stock 5.0. The 5.0 still took it.

The 4.6 in the 05-10 stangs is the 3v, which is considerably more powerful than the 2v's that resides in most panthers. If one of those M90 4.6 3v's looses from a 5.0 there is no way in hell a M90 4.6 2v will get the job done. Especially since it has to move a lot more poundage.

It would make for a fun driver though. No one expects a panther to do a low 14 pass. And at the light in daily traffic a fellow driver might underestimate the granny car, take it easy, and then promptly go WOT because the granny car is pulling away. That and the supercharger whine would be enough for me.
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#2595292 - 09/12/12 08:12 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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The trap speed is really low
Originally Posted By: ajdereicup
Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow
Indeed.

If you do decide to check the MAF/TB, I'm curious as to what you find.


I was just looking at the MAF and on where the plug connects I see EABCDF right above where it says airflow with and arrow. Is that enough to figure out what the MAF is? There seemed like maybe a number under all that but it was covered in black goo looking stuff maybe melted black plastic?


The trap speed is pretty low on your car note I got 95.63 MPH at 14.85 from my tune only MM. Your car is "Corked up" somehow


Edited by Chevyguy (09/12/12 08:13 AM)
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#2595685 - 09/12/12 08:52 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Hmmm well I should be getting a 75mm BBK-Roush P&P tb so hopefully that'll help "uncork" it at least a little. $120 shipped for the kit I think I did pretty good. I would get a bigger MAF but then I'd need to get it all retuned and don't want to do that before adding other things I may put on it so I get the full benefit from the tune
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#2595780 - 09/13/12 12:29 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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Hmmm well I should be getting a 75mm BBK-Roush P&P tb so hopefully that'll help "uncork" it at least a little.


Probably not. What are your holeshot mods? Stall/gears?
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#2595799 - 09/13/12 02:20 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: SLOBRA]
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Hmmm well I should be getting a 75mm BBK-Roush P&P tb so hopefully that'll help "uncork" it at least a little.


Probably not. What are your holeshot mods? Stall/gears?
If he has a stock 65mm tb, it will most definitely help out a lot. And I'd say his "holeshot mod" is that twin screw sitting on top of the motor.

The 13.99 was on street tires spinning right? And you have stock logs? I'd say a larger TB, some LTs, and a decent tire, and 12s are there if not incredibly close.
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#2595827 - 09/13/12 07:24 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I agree Cameron, the lack of traction is why it has low ET but that thing should be punching past 100 MPH no problem. Trashing the stock TB should help the top end HP quite a bit.
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#2595829 - 09/13/12 07:34 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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the tb is alredy a restriction on a stock 4.6 so never mind when you put a blower on it .

the car has a lot more potential for sure smile
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#2595951 - 09/13/12 12:36 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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#2595979 - 09/13/12 01:50 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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Originally Posted By: ajdereicup
Don't have any calipers but will look for a PN on the MAF at least tomorrow when I have time. And as far as the TB goes all I know is that it is in fact a Ford one because I saw the Ford logo was stamped on it. Not sure if it was P&Ped though either. And when I took it to the track the filter was pretty filthy but that shouldn'tve hurt it that bad timewise I don't think?


I'd be worried more about the filthy filter being a restriction, than upping the size of the stock 65mm TB... If your pressure gauge is reading 10 psi and is same at output of the supercharger and also same in the intake plenum, a larger TB is going to make ZERO difference... Rather than just shotgunning it, a bit of diagnosis/trouble shooting should be performed & is why I mentioned reading boost on both sides of the TB... If they are different pressure should also be checked on both sides of the MAF meter...

The snaking air intake could also be be creating a restriction...


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#2596171 - 09/13/12 09:29 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: GrandMarq9807]
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http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/mmfp_1109_throttle_body_guide_air_apparent/viewall.html

interesting article regarding different tb size dyno results on a kenne bell
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#2596244 - 09/13/12 11:46 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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Originally Posted By: CameronVic
Originally Posted By: SLOBRA
Originally Posted By: ajdereicup
Hmmm well I should be getting a 75mm BBK-Roush P&P tb so hopefully that'll help "uncork" it at least a little.


Probably not. What are your holeshot mods? Stall/gears?
If he has a stock 65mm tb, it will most definitely help out a lot. And I'd say his "holeshot mod" is that twin screw sitting on top of the motor.

The 13.99 was on street tires spinning right? And you have stock logs? I'd say a larger TB, some LTs, and a decent tire, and 12s are there if not incredibly close.


Sorry, I saw nothing in his signature indicating that he was spinning or on street tires. I guess I should have asked about that too. And certainly a twin screw is a nice holeshot mod but I would still put some gear or converter behind it.
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#2596245 - 09/13/12 11:48 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: SLOBRA]
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Sorry, I saw nothing in his signature indicating that he was spinning or on street tires.

13.99 with a 2.1L supercharger should give you a clue that he might not have hooked up.
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#2596246 - 09/13/12 11:54 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BillyBishop]
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Originally Posted By: SLOBRA

Sorry, I saw nothing in his signature indicating that he was spinning or on street tires.

13.99 with a 2.1L supercharger should give you a clue that he might not have hooked up.


No not really. I'm picking up a blown Mark VIII in Kansas that ran crappy 12.90s and it had nothing to do with traction but everything to do with the fact that it has a stock converter,log manifolds, and a mild tune with safer timing. But yes, now I've been informed about his traction issues and I NOW see what you are saying.
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#2596388 - 09/14/12 10:19 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BillyBishop]
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Originally Posted By: BillyBishop
Originally Posted By: SLOBRA

Sorry, I saw nothing in his signature indicating that he was spinning or on street tires.

13.99 with a 2.1L supercharger should give you a clue that he might not have hooked up.


With a 1.96 short time traction could have not been that bad, blow the tires off and you're lookin' at a 2.3 best...

For whatever reason, the car is down on power...

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#2596394 - 09/14/12 10:33 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Yea, and I doubt a filthy air filter is the reason. It would have to been ran in the Mohave desert for a summer to be the problem.
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#2596399 - 09/14/12 10:44 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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Yea, and I doubt a filthy air filter is the reason. It would have to been ran in the Mohave desert for a summer to be the problem.


Problem or not, I'd have made a pass without the filter to verify...
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#2596431 - 09/14/12 12:00 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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He dropped 1.5 MPH between the 1/8 and 1/4 vs my slip




2.4 60 foot with no spinning just floor it with TRAC off
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#2596443 - 09/14/12 12:39 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Chevyguy]
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Originally Posted By: Chevyguy

2.4 60 foot with no spinning just floor it with TRAC off

Hard to believe a stock Marauder has that weak of bottom end, but then I've never driven one other than mine and the SC is the only reason I bought it... I'd think with holding the brakes, launching at 2000 and rolling into the throttle with WOT at 20-30 ft, you could knock .3 off that 60ft...

Easing into the throttle I've pulled a best of 1.87 on the stock BFGs, slapping the pedal results in a smoke show...
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#2596465 - 09/14/12 01:29 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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Hmmm well I should be getting a 75mm BBK-Roush P&P tb so hopefully that'll help "uncork" it at least a little. $120 shipped for the kit I think I did pretty good. I would get a bigger MAF but then I'd need to get it all retuned and don't want to do that before adding other things I may put on it so I get the full benefit from the tune
If you're using a bone stock converter, this is likely killing you. I've seen a converter make a 5 tenth difference in the 8th mile, and nearly a full second difference in the quarter. Don't listen to everyone that's telling you to put a different gear in it. If your converter is made for the gear you have in your car, it will work perfectly fine.

Originally Posted By: Chevyguy
He dropped 1.5 MPH between the 1/8 and 1/4 vs my slip
apples to potatoes.
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#2596483 - 09/14/12 02:29 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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3.73s are perfectly fine for these cars. The Marauder guys like more gear (4.10s) but really isn't that big of a issue. A complete exhaust can do wonders, I dropped a full second in the quarter with my full exhaust. Stock throttle body is too little for a blower car, and it needs the inter cooler kit on it. Blowers don't like heat.
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#2596661 - 09/14/12 08:59 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: CameronVic]
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Originally Posted By: Chevyguy
He dropped 1.5 MPH between the 1/8 and 1/4 vs my slip
apples to potatoes.


No doubt, but it'd also be reasonable to expect a blown 2v should make more MPH than a NA 4v, not less...
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#2596669 - 09/14/12 09:16 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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My car has a T.C.T. 2400 stall tq converter and 3.73 posi. I just got the 75mm tb in the mail yesterday but haven't had time to put it on yet but when I do I plan on wrapping the really long intake tube with heat reflective wrap to try and keep air inlet temperatures down and hopefully all of that'll help at least a little. I was all proud of my car running a best of 13.99 now I'm disappointed and want it not just a little quicker but a lot quicker
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#2596680 - 09/14/12 09:28 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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There's these things called drag radials and slicks, I hear they really help you're 60 ft times..... laugh
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#2596683 - 09/14/12 09:32 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Lol yeah but they hurt the wallet bad lol
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#2596695 - 09/14/12 09:43 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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Lol yeah but they hurt the wallet bad lol


Gotta pay to play......
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#2596700 - 09/14/12 09:52 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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But this is my DD so I don't want to have to pay on this car lol. But eventually I will get a set of spare aluminum rims and slicks for this car.
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#2596709 - 09/14/12 10:08 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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But,but,but..sounds like you need to buy slow a daily driver so you can make your current daily driver faster.
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#2596754 - 09/14/12 11:35 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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But it wouldn't be as easy to get speeding tickets with a slow DD. If I did have a slow DD and the money the engine in my Vic would be in a scrap yard and a stroker mod motor blown would be getting shoehorned into the engine bay along with beefed up tranny and rear end. Screw brakes
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#2596797 - 09/15/12 06:41 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Quickvic30]
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But,but,but..sounds like you need to buy slow a daily driver so you can make your current daily driver faster.


That's what I did. The stock LX keeps me out of trouble and the PI is going to be a monster laugh
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#2596806 - 09/15/12 07:40 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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I was all proud of my car running a best of 13.99 now I'm disappointed and want it not just a little quicker but a lot quicker


man 13.99 is still excelent for a panther considering the hp/weight ratio.

Once you get into drag racing it,s never enought and as russ mentioned you have to pay to play now because that car has much more potential smile
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#2596823 - 09/15/12 08:42 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Lol well I have a Mustang thats all gutted with a roll cage and all the racing parts in it so I'm paying to play with that one too. But I still want to massage my panther and yank more power from it until I have enough $ to build a crazy engine to jam in it
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