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#2592882 - 09/08/12 11:34 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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13.8 @ 102 could have been a potentialy mid 13's

were they running 5 speed manual trans ?
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#2592916 - 09/08/12 12:33 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Bondfreak13]
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Originally Posted By: Bondfreak13
The Kenny Brown P2 Panther i'm sure had more than just a supercharger slapped on, but it ran a 13.8 @ 102 according to motor week back in 2002. So Even then, it's still a full second behind a stock 5.0 mustang

Look they are stuffing Coyote engines into Fox bodies. If they can do that then the Crown Vic can be done. It just takes Money.
Monster Garage made a 80's Cadillac run 10's in the 1/4. it can be done.


It also only ran an M90 with 7 psi.

I dont like the weak torque the 5.0 puts out and the boss manifold kills that torque even more, it performs good only in high rpms.
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#2592925 - 09/08/12 12:38 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I wonder what leprechaunjohn's car runs. He's got an off-road H-pipe and 3.73s on his Kenny Brown. A couple other little things, too.
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#2593026 - 09/08/12 04:12 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: 2004_p71]
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Originally Posted By: 2004_p71
13.8 @ 102 could have been a potentialy mid 13's

were they running 5 speed manual trans ?


Same 4speed automatic. But it's a M90 car, the baby supercharger
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#2593030 - 09/08/12 04:19 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: 2004_p71]
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Originally Posted By: 2004_p71
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With a manual trans, how well you launch/shift can make a HUGE difference in ET, and a smaller difference in trap.


you tell me laugh

I still dont get it how come I have a lot less hp than him but our trap speed 60' and ET are almost the same.


A 1/4 mi MPH is the average HP produced by the engine say in the 3500 to 6000 RPM range, so results depend on what the RPM range was during the run... Basically it depends on how broad the HP curve is, a sharp curve with higher peak HP will generally produce less ET & MPH than one that has a broader curve but a little less total HP...

I've never worried about what HP my cars made on the dyno(though now days in the computer age it's somewhat necessary), I just run it and then make changes as necessary to increase trap speed(I'm talking carb size, jets, timing etc)... Once that's optimized, make converter, gearing and/or chassis changes to decrease ET if necessary... Of course if you have a mostly street driver, you probably don't want 4.56 gears or a 4000 stall converter... Depending on temps, that's the reason my 5.0(Windsor) T-Bird would run 13.10s to 13.30s @ 104/105 MPH, needed more converter and gear to optimize all out ET but it's a street car first...
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#2593558 - 09/09/12 05:24 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: Captain_Slow]
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Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow
Indeed.

If you do decide to check the MAF/TB, I'm curious as to what you find.


I was just looking at the MAF and on where the plug connects I see EABCDF right above where it says airflow with and arrow. Is that enough to figure out what the MAF is? There seemed like maybe a number under all that but it was covered in black goo looking stuff maybe melted black plastic?
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#2595227 - 09/12/12 01:14 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I ran a '11-'12 5.0 with my '05 4.6 stang. Both manuals. He lay the smackdown on me.

I haven't been to the strip since I originally went for the first time in 06, so I am by no means a drag expert. I have seen a roll race between a roush M90 4.6 3v and a bone stock 5.0. The 5.0 still took it.

The 4.6 in the 05-10 stangs is the 3v, which is considerably more powerful than the 2v's that resides in most panthers. If one of those M90 4.6 3v's looses from a 5.0 there is no way in hell a M90 4.6 2v will get the job done. Especially since it has to move a lot more poundage.

It would make for a fun driver though. No one expects a panther to do a low 14 pass. And at the light in daily traffic a fellow driver might underestimate the granny car, take it easy, and then promptly go WOT because the granny car is pulling away. That and the supercharger whine would be enough for me.
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#2595292 - 09/12/12 09:12 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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The trap speed is really low
Originally Posted By: ajdereicup
Originally Posted By: Captain_Slow
Indeed.

If you do decide to check the MAF/TB, I'm curious as to what you find.


I was just looking at the MAF and on where the plug connects I see EABCDF right above where it says airflow with and arrow. Is that enough to figure out what the MAF is? There seemed like maybe a number under all that but it was covered in black goo looking stuff maybe melted black plastic?


The trap speed is pretty low on your car note I got 95.63 MPH at 14.85 from my tune only MM. Your car is "Corked up" somehow


Edited by Chevyguy (09/12/12 09:13 AM)
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#2595685 - 09/12/12 09:52 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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Hmmm well I should be getting a 75mm BBK-Roush P&P tb so hopefully that'll help "uncork" it at least a little. $120 shipped for the kit I think I did pretty good. I would get a bigger MAF but then I'd need to get it all retuned and don't want to do that before adding other things I may put on it so I get the full benefit from the tune
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#2595780 - 09/13/12 01:29 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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Originally Posted By: ajdereicup
Hmmm well I should be getting a 75mm BBK-Roush P&P tb so hopefully that'll help "uncork" it at least a little.


Probably not. What are your holeshot mods? Stall/gears?
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#2595799 - 09/13/12 03:20 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: SLOBRA]
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Originally Posted By: SLOBRA
Originally Posted By: ajdereicup
Hmmm well I should be getting a 75mm BBK-Roush P&P tb so hopefully that'll help "uncork" it at least a little.


Probably not. What are your holeshot mods? Stall/gears?
If he has a stock 65mm tb, it will most definitely help out a lot. And I'd say his "holeshot mod" is that twin screw sitting on top of the motor.

The 13.99 was on street tires spinning right? And you have stock logs? I'd say a larger TB, some LTs, and a decent tire, and 12s are there if not incredibly close.
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#2595827 - 09/13/12 08:24 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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I agree Cameron, the lack of traction is why it has low ET but that thing should be punching past 100 MPH no problem. Trashing the stock TB should help the top end HP quite a bit.
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#2595829 - 09/13/12 08:34 AM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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the tb is alredy a restriction on a stock 4.6 so never mind when you put a blower on it .

the car has a lot more potential for sure smile
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#2595951 - 09/13/12 01:36 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: BrianD93]
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#2595979 - 09/13/12 02:50 PM Re: 5.0 Coyote Motor [Re: ajdereicup]
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Originally Posted By: ajdereicup
Don't have any calipers but will look for a PN on the MAF at least tomorrow when I have time. And as far as the TB goes all I know is that it is in fact a Ford one because I saw the Ford logo was stamped on it. Not sure if it was P&Ped though either. And when I took it to the track the filter was pretty filthy but that shouldn'tve hurt it that bad timewise I don't think?


I'd be worried more about the filthy filter being a restriction, than upping the size of the stock 65mm TB... If your pressure gauge is reading 10 psi and is same at output of the supercharger and also same in the intake plenum, a larger TB is going to make ZERO difference... Rather than just shotgunning it, a bit of diagnosis/trouble shooting should be performed & is why I mentioned reading boost on both sides of the TB... If they are different pressure should also be checked on both sides of the MAF meter...

The snaking air intake could also be be creating a restriction...


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