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#289278 - 11/11/03 07:42 PM ENGINE: STRUCT--$1000 freeze plug repair! Ouch!
modified93tc Offline
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Registered: 08/16/03
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Loc: indianapolis
Just wanted everyone to know how important it is to change your antifreeze. I just experienced the results of the previous owners of my car not changing antifreeze. Last weekend while driveing in town the freeze plug blew out the back of the engine. I drove to Firestone which was about 2 blocks away and had them look at it, they said it was a blown head gasket because the coolant was leaking from the back of the engine. I told them I didn't think so because I never overheated the engine. They didn't charge me anything and I had it towed to my mechanic for $60 towing fee. After looking in my repair manual I came to the conclusion that it was a strong possiblility that it could be the hose under the intake leaking. I had my mechanic remove the intake and he found nothing wrong. He said it was the freeze plugs in the back of the engine and it wouldn't be cheap. When he removed what was left of the rear freeze plugs he discovered they were rusted so he recommended changeing the rest of the plugs. He ended up taking 2 days on repairing the car and replaced 6 freeze plugs. It is a real pain to change the freeze plugs and it ended up costing $800 labor and $200 parts/fluids. Reasons for failure: Antifreeze was never changed by previous owners in 8 yrs. As soon as I got the car about 2 years ago I had the antifreeze changed and he could tell that it had never been changed. Don't trust your manual when it says your antifreeze is good for 100,000 miles! Your engine may not freeze but your antifreeze may turn corrosive and this is just as bad. Have your antifreeze changed at least every 2 yrs and save yourself this $1000 bill!

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Edited by Liquid (11/11/04 10:17 AM)
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#289279 - 11/11/03 07:46 PM Re: $1000 freeze plug repair! Ouch!
Michigansquadcar Offline
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Registered: 02/22/01
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Loc: Southeast michigan
What exactly was replaced for the $200 in parts??? I bet the freeze plugs costed under $20 . I would think the mechanic pulled the engine to change them? Were they rusted from the inside out, or the outside in???

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#289280 - 11/11/03 09:43 PM Re: $1000 freeze plug repair! Ouch!
89p72vic Offline
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Registered: 07/04/02
Posts: 159
Loc: Oveido Fla
ouch freeze plugs arnt that much
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#289281 - 11/12/03 05:24 PM Re: $1000 freeze plug repair! Ouch!
modified93tc Offline
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Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 1552
Loc: indianapolis
I was off by about $50 in parts, I looked at me receipt again and it was around $150 in parts and about $700 in labor. In order to change the freeze plugs they have to pull the transmission, exhaust, starter, everything then they have to replace the main seal and trans. fluid. They also have to take apart or off the engine mounts and lift the engine to get to the side freeze plugs. Also there was a lot of labor for r and r of the intake manifold in order to check the hose under intake manifold. Yes, the cost of the plugs themselves was nominal. They rusted from the inside out.
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#289282 - 11/12/03 05:40 PM Re: $1000 freeze plug repair! Ouch!
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While all of that stuff was out I would have done the rear main seal as well.
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#289283 - 11/12/03 06:15 PM Re: $1000 freeze plug repair! Ouch!
CrystalPistol Offline

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modified93tc
.... starter, everything then they have to replace the main seal and trans. fluid. They also ....




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95CrownVictoriaP74
While all of that stuff was out I would have done the rear main seal as well.




I think they did.
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#289284 - 11/12/03 07:40 PM Re: $1000 freeze plug repair! Ouch!
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Oops.
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#289285 - 11/12/03 09:04 PM Re: $1000 freeze plug repair! Ouch!
LTDteether Offline
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Registered: 07/19/02
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Facing that kind of cost, I think I would have waited for the others to leak before replacing them. I've put tens of thousands of miles on engines after replacing one freeze plug. Anyone else? don't they usually seep before they leak badly?
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#289286 - 11/12/03 10:29 PM Re: $1000 freeze plug repair! Ouch!
95CrownVictoriaP74 Offline

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Registered: 11/28/00
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Loc: Volusia County, Florida
I don't know much about freeze plugs (knock on wood!) but I do know that my dept's K-9 vehicle, one of the last 1995 CVPI's in the town, met it's demise due to bad freeze plug(s). (136,000 miles or so.)
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#289287 - 11/12/03 11:40 PM Re: $1000 freeze plug repair! Ouch!
CrystalPistol Offline

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Registered: 10/16/01
Posts: 1322
Loc: The Shenandoah Valley of Va.
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95CrownVictoriaP74
Oops.




It happens.

I know that once one freeze plug rusts through, the others are usually (not always, but "usually") close behind ...
... and everytime I'ld be out late at night or on a long road trip ...
... it would worry the crap out of me!
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#289288 - 11/13/03 02:37 PM Re: $1000 freeze plug repair! Ouch!
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If they had to pull the engine out anyway to get at the rear plug, why the hell wouldn't they replace the rest of them?

Oh right... clueless person alert.
Freeze plugs are around a dollar each. Installation takes maybe a minute, and involves a hammer and a screwdriver.
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