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#1061930 - 11/08/06 10:26 PM PANTHER PLATFORM WHEEL & TIRE SWAPS - FAQ
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I posted most of this info in another thread, but it got buried down and stretches the info over several posts.

I decided to make a new thread, with even more info all about wheel, tire and hubcap swaps on panthers (specifically 92+)

I encourage everyone to make some additions/comments/questions/corrections/etc. to this, let's try to get all the info we can in this one thread smile



Wheels

All panthers use a 5x4.5" bolt pattern, and a ~70.5mm hub centerbore

92-02:
  • All '92-'97s require 15" wheels minimum to clear the front calipers. 'All 98+ require at least a 16" wheel to clear their larger front dual piston calipers. (15" will clear in the rear, however)
    • There have been mentions of people grinding down their 98-02 fronts calipers to allow use of 15" wheels. I do not recommend this.
  • All '98+ use 16" wheels as standard equipment, 17" if it was a CV Sport (and later Town Cars and 18" for Marauder)
  • -97s received 15" steel wheels as standard equipment on base models, 15" alloys on upper models and 16" alloys on 93+ HPPs
  • All of the 16" and 17" rims are 7" in width, the 15" wheels are 6.5" in width however I have heard the 'Police' 15" steel wheels may be 7" The primary difference between CVPI and 'base' -'97 15" steel wheels is the police wheels can accept 'dog dish' center caps.
  • The offset for all -02 is ~6mm (depending on rim model), though a 0mm offset can be used without any trouble provided you keep the width reasonable.

03+
  • All came with at least 16" wheels, 17" for LX Sport. '03+ Town Cars and 18" for Marauders. All can use the 16" rims, however.
  • The width is again 7", Though the Marauder's are 8" to run larger width tires
  • The offset is high, ~50mm *Though anything in the ~40-~50mm range is acceptable.

Other Wheel info:
  • 05+ / s197 Mustang, all 03+ panther, and 2002-2005 Explorer wheels are a direct fit for 03+ panthers.
    • **Note: There is a clearance issue between the wheel and front calipers when using *some* '05+ Mustang wheels on '03+ panthers. This appears to be limited to the polished 18" 5-spoke "Bullitt" factory Ford wheels, and the 2013 19" rims pictured in this post. If you run into this problem, slip-on style 1/4" spacers will space the wheel far enough to gain adequate clearance.
  • s197 05+ Mustang / 03+ panther / 2002-2005 Explorer wheels will fit -02 panthers with the use wheel adapters, measuring at least ~30mm/1.25"+. Hub centric adapters recommended
    • 1.5" preferred. Aero owners may want to use 2" on rear.
  • 94-04 sn95/5x4.5" FACTORY mustang wheels can be used on -02 panthers, provided a wheel adapter/spacer measuring at ~1/4"+ is used on the front wheels to compensate for increased offset.
    • Larger spacers will bring wheels further out to fender well lips. 1/4" is minimum for front ball joint clearance, and is adequate up to (and including) the 8" Cobra rims. 20mm+ preferred all around for the right look. (Aero owners should use a larger spacer in the rear to fill the wheel wells out more)
    • Hub centric adapters recommended. Increased rim width will effect offset and minimum spacer size calculation. If you're going beyond factory Mustang wheels just keep that in mind and size your spacers accordingly.
  • s95 (94-04)/5x4.5" Mustang wheels have too low of an offset for 03+ panthers, the wheels may protrude past the wheel openings.
  • For aero owner's looking for better handling, -02 panther 16" (and 17") wheels are a direct fit, size 225/60/16 tires are closest to the diameter of your original 15" wheel/tire combo.
  • Kenny Brown panthers used 18x8" Ronal R-7 wheels, using 245/45/18 tires
  • 2006+ CVPIs use 17" wheels. These wheels are a direct swap on all 2003+ panthers.
    • They can be used on -02 provided hub centric adapters (1.5") are used on all 4 wheels.
  • -97 Steel wheels come in two varieties. The standard and the 'Police' wheels which have raised portions/bumps to secure the 'dog-dish' style hubcaps.
  • DCX LX Platform wheels can be used on -02 panthers. The bolt pattern is slightly off (by .7mm, DCX using 5x115mm vs. our 5x114.3mm) , so vibration may be felt at higher speeds.
    • Hub centric adapter 'rings' are recommended to keep wheels hubconcentric (The LX platform wheels have a larger centerbore than Ford Panther platform vehicles (71.5mm vs 70.5mm), the rings fill this gap keeping the wheel concentric to the hub)
    • Offset is ~18mm, so spacers are not required for use on -02s but recommended for best look.
    • These wheels will stick out too far to be used on 03+ panthers.
  • The aforementioned Ford wheel offerings (Mustang, Explorer, Panther, etc.) use the correct 70.6mm center bore.

Other notes:
  • Backspacing will all depend on the rim width chosen in relation to the offset.
  • The use of a wheel spacer or adapter puts more stress on the vehicle's lug nuts and wheel bearings
  • Eibach, H&R make high-quality wheel adapters
  • Aero panthers have a narrower track width (most noticeably the rear, by ~2") than 98+. If wheel adapters/spacers are to be purchased an aero owner may want to go slightly larger than 98+ for more fender fill-out
  • Our cars use a 1/2"-20 RH thread Acorn style lug nut when you go to purchase chrome lugs for your spiffy new wheels
  • Factory lug torque spec is ~95ft-lbs
  • Many Ford factory wheels share the same size hub cover, thus Ford oval logo covers can be used in place of Cobra snakes, galloping 'stangs, Gods-heads and other designs not suiting for your vehicle.
    • Various hub covers can be purchased from FRPP, or on eBay.
    • Member gDMJoe has a list of hub cover's with part numbers here: THread Link
  • Curiously, Ford recently started remaking the 2003-2004 Mercury Marauder wheels for use on the 2006+ Mustang as a 'Factory Custom' wheel offering. These wheels are for the most part identical, with the exception of a slight difference in the forging around the center cap area; though, the Marauder and all previously mentioned center caps should work fine.

HPP wheel variances:

There are three varieties of the 93-02 HPP wheels; 93-96; 97-98; and 99-02.


Pictured is one of my 93-96 HPP wheels
  • 93-96 have a machine finish lip, 'unfenced' lug circle, and a painted center. Clear coated.
  • 97-98 have a machine finish lip, 'fenced' / pentagonal border lug circle, and a painted center. Clear coated.
  • 99-02 have a painted lip (a heavy fill-primer is/was used to fill the ridges), 'fenced' / pentagonal border lug circle, and painted center. Clear coated as well.
  • The 99-02 variety look somewhat dull, IMO.
  • Keystone has started manufacturing and aftermarket replica of the '97-'02 style HPP. However, they have a FULLY polished outer lip, not machined or painted. Bling!

LX Sport wheel variances:

After receiving a few emails about this, I think I should clarify.

There are 01-02 LX Sport rims, and there are 03+ LX Sport rims
The 03+ Sport rims have a very flat face, where as the -02 have a dish to them. I prefer the -02 wheels myself.
-02 owners should use 01-02 Sport rims, and 03+ owners should use 03+ Sport rims to have the correct offset. One could use 03+ Sport wheels on a -'02 with the use of ~1.5" hubconcentric adapters all around, but why would you?

01-02 Sport<>03+ Sport


What the rim measurements actually mean:

For those looking into aftermarket rims, take a look at this diagram:


As you see, when calculating the minimum offset required, rim width must also be used. Offset is not the only measurement you needed to determine wheel fit! Keep this in mind if purchasing wider rims.

The closer to zero the offset is, the closer the wheel mounting surface is to the wheel center line. This also gives the wheel more 'dish'. Zero and below will have a noticeable dish. 0-10 mm is typical of a traditional RWD vehicle. Higher offsets, ~40mm+ are typical to FWD vehicles.

The higher the offset, the 'flatter' the wheel front will be. 03+ panthers use a very flat, high positive offset wheel. -02 use a low offset wheel
The higher the offset, the higher the backspace (and vice versa)

Make sure you don't overlook the centerbore specification, if the centerbore is too small the wheel will not slide over the hub lips used to keep the wheel concentric. If too large the wheel is no longer hubcentric which may cause vibration issues at high speeds.
Panther wheels use a 70.6mm center bore size to slide over the hub(s) for a hubcentric fit.
If you get aftermarket wheels, they must use this size to clear the hubs whillst retaining hubcentricity.
If the wheels have a center bore larger than 70.6mm, a hubcentric ring/shim should be used on each wheel to fill the gap and eliminate possible vibration issues.
If the center bore is smaller; one would either have to find a way of precisely machining the center bore larger; or select a different whel.
The aforementioned Ford wheel offerings (Mustang, Explorer, Panther, etc.) use 70.6mm center bore.

Tires:

Factory sizes:
    • -97 15" wheels, non-CVPI: 215/70r/15
    • -97 15" wheels, CVPI & Towing: 225/70r/15
    • all years 16" wheels***: 225/60r/16
    • 01+ LX Sport/SAP 17" wheels: 235/55r/17
    • 03-04 Marauder 18" wheels: 235/50r/18, front 245/55r/18, back
    • 03+ Lincoln Town Car 17" wheels: 225/60r/17
    • 06+ CVPIs w/ 17" wheels: 235/55r/17
    • ***98-02 Town Car Touring Sedans (16" wheels): 235/60r/16
    • ***'98-'02 Town Car "L" / LWB Sedans (16" wheels): 225/70r/16
  • 1992 HPP models also used 225/70/15 tires
  • 255/55/16 tires are a popular upgrade for those with 16" wheels
  • 255/50/17 tires can be used on LX Sports, or 06+ CVPI, and they look awesome
  • Panthers have very large wheel well openings. Using a smaller overall height tire than stock may look goofy.
  • GoodYear RSAs are factory installed on CVPIs, reviews are mixed. With the wide variances in tires from brand to brand, it is hard to say which one is best. I recommend using http://www.tirerack.com and using their tire reviews to help base your decision.


Hubcaps:
  • Type 146 (p/n: F87Z-1130-DA) and 170 (p/n: F87Z-1130-GB) hub caps cover the lug circle and hub. They will work with both 15" and 16" wheels.
    • They require the shoulder lug nuts
      • p/n: F8AZ-1012-AA
    • The lug nuts can also be purchased aftermarket for considerably less.
  • Full wheel covers are available for 15", 16" and 17" panther steel wheels in various styles. Including chrome lacy spokes, chrome radial spokes, slatted/vents, multi-spoke alloy simulation, etc.
  • Locking wheel covers, like those found on some civilian models, use a bracket which mounts to 3 of the 5 lug nuts behind the wheel cover. A specially keyed bolt is used to bolt the wheel cover to the bracket. The center emblem/ornament covers this bolt. These wheel covers will be the least likely to ever fall off.
    • Example of a 15" locking radial spoke wheel cover: Click!
  • 03+ 16" full wheel covers can be used on 98-02 16" steel wheels with slight Modification.
    • There are two methods:
    • You will need at least 12 (3 per wheel) of the special threaded lug nuts to use the pipe coupling method. These are pricey from Ford, Napa sells them much cheaper: Click!!
  • Chrome trim rings are available for both 15" and 16" wheels
  • The old 'Dog-Dish' style center caps require the older style 15" police wheel with raised portions/bumps to hold the cap in place.
  • 17" 2006+ CVPI full wheel covers will not fit 16" or smaller wheels.


If you have other info, please add it to the thread! smile

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Edited by a_d_a_m (06/04/15 02:28 AM)
Edit Reason: added info on 2013 'stang wheels
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#1061931 - 11/08/06 10:33 PM Re: Panther Platform Wheel & Tire Swaps - FAQ
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Beautiful, Derek!
You deserve the "Most Valuable NoOb" Award.
J/K!
Can you add that, the Dodge Charger 17 inchers steelies can fit on a -02 Panther, with no adapters necssary.
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#1061932 - 11/08/06 11:15 PM Re: Panther Platform Wheel & Tire Swaps - FAQ
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Quote:


Can you add that, the Dodge Charger 17 inchers steelies can fit on a -02 Panther, with no adapters necssary.




Added, with an observation.
The DCX LX wheels use a 5x115mm bolt pattern, vs ours with 5x114.3mm. This may cause vibration issues at high speed.
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#1061933 - 11/08/06 11:20 PM Re: Panther Platform Wheel & Tire Swaps - FAQ
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Very nice, I am printing this off as we speak and going to get it laminated for future refernce, along with your "Seat swap FAQ thread."
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#1061934 - 11/08/06 11:36 PM Re: Panther Platform Wheel & Tire Swaps - FAQ
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Very nice.
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#1061935 - 11/09/06 02:17 AM Re: Panther Platform Wheel & Tire Swaps - FAQ
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I am currently experimenting with a set of DCX 18" x 7.5" five-spoke steel wheels from an 06-07 police package Charger. This may be another option for 98-02 Panthers, as these wheels are beginning to show up on Ebay.

I did some test fitting today (without tires)and it appears the center bores are a perfect match for the 98-02 hub. This should help keep vibration problems to a minimum. I will try to get tires mounted to these soon (245/45-18 front, 255/45-18 rear) and recheck clearances.

Great work Derek!
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#1061936 - 11/09/06 02:24 AM Re: Panther Platform Wheel & Tire Swaps - FAQ
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Great job.
I just dont like them 5 spoke steelies. i prefer the 17inchers that resemble the Ford 17" steelies.
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#1061937 - 11/09/06 11:40 AM Re: Panther Platform Wheel & Tire Swaps - FAQ
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Ahem, someone did not post the diagram I made up and showed them.

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#1061938 - 11/09/06 12:04 PM Re: Panther Platform Wheel & Tire Swaps - FAQ
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Nice write up!
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#1061939 - 11/09/06 12:45 PM Re: Panther Platform Wheel & Tire Swaps - FAQ
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well done, this will come in handy when I order my aftermarket wheels.
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#1061940 - 11/10/06 01:27 PM Re: Panther Platform Wheel & Tire Swaps - FAQ
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Quote:

All panthers use a 5x4.5" bolt pattern.

92-02:

- All -97s require use a minimum of 15" wheels.






Not always true look at my pic my Magnum 500's are 14's!
they also fit the boxes too!


Edited by whdahel (11/10/06 01:30 PM)
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#1061941 - 11/15/06 01:49 AM Re: Panther Platform Wheel & Tire Swaps - FAQ
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Just added a new set of 18" '06 Mustang wheels to my '05 CVPI and wanted to show em off. These are 18X8 or 8.5, not sure which but they fit perfect. They are off '05-'07 Mustang GT with the Premium wheel package, and are also available through Ford Racing in polished or silver. Have 235/50-18 BFG KDWS all the way around, great tires also have a set of these tires of my '90 SSP Mustang.


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#1061942 - 11/16/06 05:09 PM Re: Panther Platform Wheel & Tire Swaps - FAQ
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LCSO, those look very nice!

As LCSO has shown (as I stated above) the 05+ s197 Mustang wheels are a direct fit for 03+ panthers

And to CVN!



Quote:


Not always true look at my pic my Magnum 500's are 14's!
they also fit the boxes too!



My bad, it may just be 95-97. My 15" wheels were stuffed with the stock 95-97 brake hardware.

I forgot to mention the boxes as I focused this primaraily for the 92+s. But most all the information I posted for 92-97 is applicable for boxes as well.


Also, an important note, different make/model wheels can often have a different inside diameter/opening, despite having the same rim size as an OE wheel.








One more tidbit I should've mentioned:

Panther wheels use a 70.6mm center bore size to slide over the hub(s) for a hubcentric fit.

If your get aftermarket wheels, they must use this size to clear the hubs whillst retaining hubcentricity.
If the wheels have a center bore larger than 70.6mm, a hubcentric ring/shim should be used on each wheel to fill the gap and eliminate possible vibration issues.
If the center bore is smaller; one would either have to find a way of precisely machining the center bore larger; or select a different whel.
The aforementioned Ford wheel offerings (Mustang, Explorer, Panther, etc.) use a 70.6mm center bore.
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#1061943 - 11/20/06 09:27 AM Re: Panther Platform Wheel & Tire Swaps - FAQ
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#1061944 - 11/21/06 07:53 AM Re: Panther Platform Wheel & Tire Swaps - FAQ
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I saw some 2006 17" town car wheels and tires (225/60/17) advertised on Ebay. Would those fit on a 2004 GM? If so, how would they affect the handling? Ride? Power? Would you have to reflash the PCM because of the difference in the size?

Any thoughs would be much appreciated.
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