Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and secure! registry | CVN on Facebook | tech | news | email login Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and secure!


Welcome to CVN - Your Panther platform headquarters!


Custom Search


Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
#1643024 - 12/19/08 11:06 PM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: Great_Wun]
Corsair Offline

Member

Registered: 07/17/05
Posts: 376
Loc: Port Wentworth,Ga
I did mine today, again....gear kept bouncing on my flywheel...weak springs..2nd AZ starter this yr. Grrrr.... I just pull the solenoid off mine, turn the flywheel a little to keep tension on nose gear so I can slip solenoid plunger into cradle, and whala! tis done...on average it takes about 40mi to do it this way as you have to undo the wires on the solenoid, but its worked for me so far. At least for another 6mths I guess....
_________________________
2001 CVPI, 3.27, LED spotlight, J-Mod, plus a few bells & whistles.

Top
Links
#1643178 - 12/20/08 10:02 AM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: Corsair]
Fordiesel69 Offline

Over the Hill

Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 4399
Loc: Erie, PA
 Originally Posted By: Corsair
I did mine today, again....gear kept bouncing on my flywheel...weak springs..2nd AZ starter this yr. Grrrr.... I just pull the solenoid off mine, turn the flywheel a little to keep tension on nose gear so I can slip solenoid plunger into cradle, and whala! tis done...on average it takes about 40mi to do it this way as you have to undo the wires on the solenoid, but its worked for me so far. At least for another 6mths I guess....


People mention to take off the solenoid, how do you get to the bolts to loosen it? Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying.
_________________________
rant2 ******Need your heater core replaced? Click Here******rant2
-'99 Crown Vic Police Interceptor (SAP), 3.55 Trac-Loc(DK), Cloth Interior, Black Honeycomb Grill, Black PI Trunk Bezel, Silverstars, 183K
-'00 Crown Vic Police Interceptor (SAP), 3.55 (R2), Cloth Interior, Black PI Trunk Bezel, 03+ Full Wheel Covers, Silverstars, 115K
-'08 Crown Vic Police Interceptor (SAP), 3.27, Cloth Interior, Smokestone Metallic, 96K / 249 Hrs
-'08 Crown Vic Police Interceptor (SAP), 3.27, Cloth Interior, Black, 133K / 1643 Hrs
-'08 Crown Vic Police Interceptor (SAP), 3.27, Cloth Interior w/ Carpet, Norsea Blue, 157K / 597 Hrs
-'07 F-150 4x4 - Extended Cab, 3.55's, White w/ Grey interior, 167K
-'14 Fusion S - 160K

Top
#1643207 - 12/20/08 10:45 AM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: Fordiesel69]
mrbear5300 Offline
professional grade
Poobah

Registered: 12/29/05
Posts: 5059
Loc: BUF
Ughh, so i have this to look forward to when I possibly pull the motor soon? Lovely.
_________________________


Top
#1643337 - 12/20/08 02:19 PM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: mrbear5300]
Corsair Offline

Member

Registered: 07/17/05
Posts: 376
Loc: Port Wentworth,Ga
on the back of the solenoid are 2 screws, torx head. t30 i think, cant remember...blow the debris out of the holes first , loosen...then undo the wires running to solenoid...assuming you unhooked the batt first so you dont get electrocuted first..take off the nut above where the starter wire was, sliding the small contact wire behind it off the threads and pushing aside. unscrew the bolts on back of solenoid...only thing easy to get to, esp if you've removed factory double cats and have installed a single highflow. anyway, after screws are out of way, which are easy to strip out, gently lift the solenoid out and up to disengage the solenoid plunger from the cradle in the starter housing. the bolts holding the starter are right there, easy as you please. once you get the starter, you'll understand how simple it is. install with solenoid out, push the nose gear into flywheel and turn flywheel a little to keep tension on nosegear as you try to slide plunger into the cradle. otherwise, it'll wiggle back and forth, causing you many hours of fun. trust me. again, it's really easy to do it this way, just get the new starter first, take its solenoid off and you'll know how to take it off on starter in vechicle.
_________________________
2001 CVPI, 3.27, LED spotlight, J-Mod, plus a few bells & whistles.

Top
#1643429 - 12/20/08 05:26 PM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: Corsair]
koolaid6666 Offline
Member

Registered: 08/17/07
Posts: 169
Loc: LI,NY
Took Me Two Days to Do It.The third Bolt Was no problem To Get Too The Second bolt strip On Me Tried everything couldn't get it out Had to dremel the second bolt Out.
_________________________
2007 Black P71
2003 Green p74
1991 Crown Victoria
1999 Green SAP-Part Car




Top
#1643447 - 12/20/08 05:48 PM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: Great_Wun]
patgizz Offline
Member

Registered: 08/14/08
Posts: 383
Loc: cleveland
i bought one of the husky 1/4" drive ratchets with the positionable head(it can be staight, 45, or 90 degrees to the handle either to the left or right and the handle is as long as a normal 3/8 drive). it got the job done with no removal of anything else.

Top
#1643459 - 12/20/08 06:24 PM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: patgizz]
GaryinVT Offline
Over the Hill

Registered: 09/24/06
Posts: 3176
Loc:
I, too, didn't have a huge problem with the stater on my '03.

I hit the bolts with PBlaster penetrating oil for a couple days beforehand.
Used 1/4", not 3/8" ratchet with all my extensions. Maybe 12-16"? I think using a 1/4" ratchet makes a big difference.
Got all 3 bolts out, but only put the 2 easier ones back in, as many people do.
I almost started to cross thread one of the bolts putting it back in, due to not holding the starter flat against the block. That's easy to do, it's heavy!
_________________________

Top
#2590107 - 09/03/12 10:51 AM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: GaryinVT]
10_8 Offline
Stranger

Registered: 07/28/12
Posts: 4
Loc: WI
OK, so does the '97 have a removeable solenoid?

If I can get the starter out, I'd have better access to the ground plate the cables are connected to at the back of the motor: trying to get this project figured out.

In the last 2 years I've done alternator, starter, and battery. 1997 with 180K miles. Now, I've got a no-start condition again-just a click. I'd liek to get this straightened out before snow flies....thanks for any insights...

Top
#2590535 - 09/04/12 12:59 AM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: RWDForever]
ShireHorse Offline
Climber

Registered: 11/27/07
Posts: 511
Loc: Evansville, IN
Originally Posted By: RWDForever
I hope the newer 2003+ models with the redesigned front frame is better than this design.


I can confirm that. It's harder to jack up the car than it is to remove the starter on 2003+.

Also, holy thread necromancy, batman.

~Shire
_________________________


2006 P71, Ohio State Highway Patrol, Cocaine White. 393k mi

Member: 06+ CVPI wheel cover club

OIF 08

Top
#2590569 - 09/04/12 02:01 AM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: RWDForever]
03RedVicSport Offline
Over the Hill

Registered: 03/02/10
Posts: 2283
Loc: Central NY
I've had mine out & replaced it and then out again for the build, and it is a precision operation.

Not IMPOSSIBLE, but it's a trick!

2 out of 3 of those bolts are OK, the top invisible one is a challenge.

You need to use a certain length 10mm socket & extension, so the ratchet handle hangs off just over the end of the motor can, and there's one certain position where you can JUST get a finger on the bolt head to help guide the socket to it as you feed the thing in blind.
_________________________
"All This Has Happened Before And Will Again"

Top
#2597814 - 09/17/12 06:49 PM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: RWDForever]
silkystylz Offline
Rookie

Registered: 06/13/11
Posts: 95
Loc: Colorado Springs
My lil trick. when i swapped my motor i took my cut off tool to the trans and engine block ears on the right side. trust me it was worth the 3min it took and i will never have to fight that bolt again.

Top
#2601383 - 09/25/12 09:34 AM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: RWDForever]
10_8 Offline
Stranger

Registered: 07/28/12
Posts: 4
Loc: WI
Cool, thanks for the positive and productive replies.

Top
#2601428 - 09/25/12 11:27 AM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: 10_8]
WikiWonders Offline
n00b

Registered: 06/07/12
Posts: 15
Loc: Massachusetts
Originally Posted By: 10_8
OK, so does the '97 have a removeable solenoid?


FWIW, it does have a removable solenoid. t-25 bit. when pulling my starter, these were hopelessly seized and just stripped. I used a stubby 1/4 ratchet to get the middle bolt loose, and a few extensions and a u-joint to get the top one loose. not that bad once you figure out how to route the extensions.

Top
#2601848 - 09/26/12 02:34 AM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: RWDForever]
Drac Offline

Cpt. Smug
Over the Hill

Registered: 03/19/10
Posts: 3345
Loc: Cali
funny... i can pull the starter out in my 2004 in like 10 minutes lol. having the right sockets/elbows/size extensions is a lifesaver.
_________________________

2004 Crown Victoria finished in Dark Pearl Blue Metallic (DX) | Ported M122 powered DOHC conversion with all supporting mods. Dyno queen.
2010 BMW M5 V10 finished in Monaco Blue Metallic with 2-tone interior | Eisemann race exhaust | Lowered On Dinan coilovers. Daily Driver

BlueVic's DOHC Supercharged Build.
Bluevic's 1,000 RWHP Returnless Fuel System.
2009+ Window/Lock/Mirror Control Switches Retrofit.
Mercury Cougar Trunk Switch Retrofit.








Top
#2601876 - 09/26/12 05:10 AM Re: The starter is a PAIN to replace. [Re: RWDForever]
2004_p71 Offline

no replacement for displacement
Posting Addict

Registered: 09/04/03
Posts: 15594
Loc: Quebec Canada
I did it on my 97 few month ago fand it was a pita also because all 3 bolts were seized.
I managed to take it out by removing the solenoid too.

I did replace it again last night with a reman from ford and not an auto part unit that last abouth a year nono The fors uniot was 50$ cheaper , way better quality and spins way faster laugh

With a 1/4 ratchet a long socket and extention it can be done but since I cleaned all the threads last time I could turn with my fingers all the bolts and then just tighten them with the ratchet.

It is defitnaly easier on the 03+ cars for sure
_________________________


new best time 13.079 @ 105 1.8 60'

Top
Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 >

Who's Online
8 registered (Bangster, f00barbob, Clark, 124neta, stangg97, 1 invisible), 63 Guests and 258 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Email Login
EMail Login Name
Password
 New users, sign up!
Top Posters (30 Days)
bluejay_32 185
a_d_a_m 147
Old_Guy_Stu 129
DudeAbides 87
Ponyguy 66
CrystalPistol 47
LTC_Dave 42
Moby_Vic 42
Davidzq 38
Bangster 35
Member Spotlight
Member Since: 01/19/03
Posts: 3163





Copyright 2000-2015 by Crownvic.net and Steve Spaulding. All Rights Reserved.
The photographs, graphics and data contained in this Web site are the properties of the contributors, or Crownvic.net and may not be used without expressed written consent.
Crownvic.net is not affiliated with the Ford motor company.

Happily consuming the fuel saved by Prius owners!