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#1803679 - 07/02/09 07:09 PM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: Bondfreak13]
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Is there a timing chain cover difference that will cause a problem when using romeo heads on a windsor block?
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#1804114 - 07/03/09 12:13 PM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: hotrodjcc]
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 Originally Posted By: hotrodjcc
Is there a timing chain cover difference that will cause a problem when using romeo heads on a windsor block?



No but you need the front timing cover bolts from a Romeo head and make sure you have the head gaskets with the large oil feed oil.

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#1804146 - 07/03/09 01:04 PM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: nickmckinney]
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Nick which all bolts in the modulars are torque stress. Meaning when i get these heads and go back to assemble which are the bolts that need to b e replaced? I know the head bolts and main bolts need to be replaced from what I hear about these engines.
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#1808538 - 07/09/09 01:14 AM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: troyco]
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 Originally Posted By: troyco
i have a question....what kind of mods need to be done to the windshield wiper housing for clearance? anyone have pics?


On a Lightning setup the fuel rail crossover line runs right through the wiper housing and sits on top of the motor and arm. No way to keep wipers functional if installed like this. Also, the fuel lines come up on the wrong side of the engine bay.
I ended up modifying the rails and installing them backwards so the crossover is on the front of the motor. Part of the rail still interferes with the housing, but only a small hole is required. I'll get some pics tomorrow.
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#1808744 - 07/09/09 10:37 AM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: Quickcrownvic]
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I'm interested in seeing the photos. I'm using the 96-97 fuel rails that connect on the drivers side. Mine were converted when I did the PI engine swap.
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#1808780 - 07/09/09 11:07 AM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: hotrodjcc]
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 Originally Posted By: hotrodjcc
Nick which all bolts in the modulars are torque stress. Meaning when i get these heads and go back to assemble which are the bolts that need to b e replaced? I know the head bolts and main bolts need to be replaced from what I hear about these engines.



Words straight from a Ford engineer that worked on both the Romeo and Windsor designs:

"All bolts are designed for 5 uses minimum"

I have reused every bolt including head bolts and the only failures I have seen are from ARP bolts actually.

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#1809119 - 07/09/09 07:11 PM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: nickmckinney]
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What would you all suggest for an exhaust manifold for a 2004 Grand Marquis. I have heard the ford shorties won't work, and I haven't heard anything too positive about the kooks

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#1809120 - 07/09/09 07:13 PM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: nickmckinney]
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Here's some pics of my fuel rails and how I installed them backwards.

This photo shows the metal that had to be welded to the fuel rail so it can be bolted down. The rear bracket lined up properly without modification.
Also shown is the plastic crossover lines which I wrapped in heat shield.


Here shows how the fuel lines come up and attach to the rails.


Here shows the crossover lines on the driver side. The thermostat housing interferes with their path but the lines are flexible and just go over it. I wrapped them in heat shield and wire loom so they won't directly touch any hot metal or wear through by friction. Looks ugly yes, but I get to have working wipers.


Drivers side fuel rail. Arrow points to the metal tab welded to the rail. As you can see the front bracket lined up properly.
The lid on the wiper housing is not closed all the way in this photo, which is why it's touching the engine. It's not supposed to be this close but I broke off all the clips being careless and the lid never closes all the way now.


Here I'm pushing the lid down to where it's supposed to be. You can see the hole required for the fuel rail.


This is how far the rail protrudes into the housing. The arrow is pointing to a cut I made for the crossover lines to come through. They ran right into the wiper motor. Reversing the rails was the best way to get wipers working again. Custom rails may be a possible option and visually nicer too, but expensive.

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#1809126 - 07/09/09 07:20 PM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: Quickcrownvic]
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Thanks Quickcrownvic.

Remember now that was for a Lightning setup.

Anyone who as done an N/A setup could they please chime in on what they did, if they even had the same problem?
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#1809401 - 07/09/09 11:48 PM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: nickmckinney]
Georges93LX Offline

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 Originally Posted By: nickmckinney
 Originally Posted By: hotrodjcc
Nick which all bolts in the modulars are torque stress. Meaning when i get these heads and go back to assemble which are the bolts that need to b e replaced? I know the head bolts and main bolts need to be replaced from what I hear about these engines.



Words straight from a Ford engineer that worked on both the Romeo and Windsor designs:

"All bolts are designed for 5 uses minimum"

I have reused every bolt including head bolts and the only failures I have seen are from ARP bolts actually.


That's a hell of a risk to take but I'm willing to try it.
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#1809408 - 07/10/09 12:06 AM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: Georges93LX]
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I think this will be an easy hook up.
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#1809410 - 07/10/09 12:09 AM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: Georges93LX]
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To Quickcrownvic: Why did you use an alluminum flywheel verses a iron or steel?
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#1809509 - 07/10/09 03:25 AM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: Georges93LX]
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I went with aluminum for a few reasons; so the engine revs faster, the heatsink qualities of aluminum, and to remove some weight from the car. It does get through each gear a little faster at WOT and it weighs lots less than the steel I was using before. Rev matching in turns is more fun now.
I thought it would make normal driving more difficult compared to steel, but I honestly didn't notice much difference in the way it accelerates from a stop. I think the 5.4 engine paired with 4.10 gears lessens the downsides of aluminum for a street car.
I experienced a billet steel flywheel with my previous clutch. I have no complaints about the steel, it was nice, but if I needed to buy a new flywheel tomorrow, it would be aluminum again.
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#1809514 - 07/10/09 04:44 AM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: Quickcrownvic]
hotrodjcc Offline
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bjorkmae could help out alot on a standard 5.4 swap though he quickly went to a vortech setup
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#1809515 - 07/10/09 04:46 AM Re: 5.4 Swap FAQ's (Please Sticky) [Re: wanderer]
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 Originally Posted By: wanderer
What would you all suggest for an exhaust manifold for a 2004 Grand Marquis. I have heard the ford shorties won't work, and I haven't heard anything too positive about the kooks
I would go with the kooks longtubes but I see no reason why the FFRP shorties would not work, I have them on my 98 with no problems
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