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#1962793 - 01/23/10 02:57 AM Re: motor oil [Re: stalag]
mcclinj Offline
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Registered: 08/01/08
Posts: 59
Loc: PA
Im sure this has been adressed before, but is 5W-20 the recommended oil for all the panther engines, or only engines made in or after the year the change was made? Im still using 5W-30 in my '96 CV LX , but am thinking of trying the 5W-20 soon.

any thoughts?

-John
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#1962795 - 01/23/10 03:01 AM Re: motor oil [Re: stalag]
dmitriy Offline
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Registered: 11/19/08
Posts: 145
Loc: kherson,ukraine
that's for sure. Ukraine. translated incorrectly. what to choose.
kenndal 5w30gt1, Chevron Supreme Motor 5w30, valvoline MaxLife 10W-40 / 5W-40 orValvoline Synpower 5W30 MST. Petro-Canada 5W30 and Mobil 1 Extended Life 10W-60: a car mileage of 400 thousand kilometers and made overhaul of the engine.
and how you relate to motor oils for cars with mileage - Mobil 1 Extended Life 10W-60 and valvoline MaxLife 10W-40 / 5W-40. They, too, but with synthetic high viscosity. And of course we must not forget that we have a very bad gasoline with high sulfur content. Therefore IDEX acidity must be at least 10 (kenndall and mobil). available is kendal (he's 76lubricant), canada-petrol and valvoline (on the market of retail products are different, but on the wholesale sale Concern texaco is valvoline and havoline). mobil, castrol, and other famous brands - 80% fake.
Unfortunately of Chevron in Ukraine to close
plus everything in America is no boundary between synthetic and mineral oils. Most oils are made hydrocracking way, right?
Thank you for your patience


Edited by dmitriy (01/23/10 03:04 AM)

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#1962980 - 01/23/10 01:16 PM Re: motor oil [Re: dmitriy]
stalag Offline
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Registered: 03/29/09
Posts: 3978
Loc: Columbus, OH
If the oil is obviously a knockoff then do not use the oil as the quality is questionable (being polite about this). Most good oils made today will have a sufficient base number to deal with the high sulfer gasoline (petrol) you have in country. The 10-60 though is way too thick for your engine. You will need a thinner oil for the way your engine works. Most oil here in the US is refined base stock and is hydrocracked (not wanting to give a chemistry lesson here) but a hydrocracked oil still has paraffins in the oil leading to a small sludging concern if not changed regularly. A full synthetic oil is made by synthesizing the molecules used in the oil then mixed in proportions to match the desired viscosity numbers. In both oils after the viscosity is adjusted other additives are added to reduce corrosion, enhance lubricity, adsorb acids, detergents for cleaning, etc. These additives are added on a per batch basis. Millions of dollars are spent to adjust these formulations. As a result, aftermarket additives are NOT recommended for modern high quality oils. Please keep this in mind when choosing an oil.

Hope this helps.

Stalag
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2001 Lincoln Town Car Cartier L, 1997 Mercury Grand Marquis (extinct)
On my LTC the following mods/upgrades were added. Heinous motorsport control arms, Command Automotive SD-1 rotors (these rotors can no longer be obtained), Calipers by Goldlinebrakes.com in silver with Hawk HPS pads (now running Ford OEM), MSD COP's. MZT is also applied with programming from BOC. j-mod is now done. Final rebuild of transmission done by Gearstar.

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#1962992 - 01/23/10 01:38 PM Re: motor oil [Re: dmitriy]
98P73_IRAQ Offline
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Registered: 04/26/08
Posts: 2945
Loc: iraq-baghdad-hell's street
how much oil that your engine burns every "lets say 1000km" ?

i had a 1992 crownvic and she had a bad valve seals.

my point is, the 1992-95 have this issue (un-normal oil burning) due to the valve seals. also the old age PCV.

then, you must think seriously about the oil you are puttin, since the thinner the oil means more oil burning, the burned oil is a big problem itself and must be considered.

my ex-92 was burning a quart each 400 miles which is sick and killed alot of my fees since i was putting 5w30 full synthetic once driving me mad then, then i switched to 10w40 synthetic then i sold the car without knowing how much she burns then.

now in my 98, the first oil change i used 20w50 cheap oil TWICE since the deposits go out (with short oil change periods). then i put 5w30 full synthetic with new filter in the start of winter.

now she burns a quart each 1000km wich is fair to me since the engine has 120000 miles. my next oil changes will be 10w40 all season because as we know the thicker the oil means less consumption (burning) and as i said before the burned oil is a separate big problem itself.

finally:

if i have a 92, i will put 20w50 regular oil, then check the consumption, if she is in a good state then switch to synthetic with a similar or approximate value. if she burns alot (like she was hoe!) then put the thicker the oil you find !


Edited by 98P73_IRAQ (01/23/10 01:41 PM)
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#1963097 - 01/23/10 03:49 PM Re: motor oil [Re: 98P73_IRAQ]
dmitriy Offline
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98P73_IRAQ.I think that your car is in my.lol

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#1963105 - 01/23/10 04:02 PM Re: motor oil [Re: dmitriy]
98P73_IRAQ Offline
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do you mean the one in the left?
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1992 crownvic LX P74 (ex US DOD unit) SOLD 2009
1998 crownvic P73 (came from canada) SOLD 2014
1990 oldsmobile cutlass cierra 3.1L FE3 WORK VEHICLE
2007 toyota yaris 1.3L wife vehicle SOLD
2011 ford edge limited 3.5L AWD flooded (lifetime project)
2012 Ford Focus 2.0L. Exciting transmission technology.


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#1963106 - 01/23/10 04:02 PM Re: motor oil [Re: 98P73_IRAQ]
98P73_IRAQ Offline
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Registered: 04/26/08
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Loc: iraq-baghdad-hell's street
in your dreams lol.
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1992 crownvic LX P74 (ex US DOD unit) SOLD 2009
1998 crownvic P73 (came from canada) SOLD 2014
1990 oldsmobile cutlass cierra 3.1L FE3 WORK VEHICLE
2007 toyota yaris 1.3L wife vehicle SOLD
2011 ford edge limited 3.5L AWD flooded (lifetime project)
2012 Ford Focus 2.0L. Exciting transmission technology.


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#1963110 - 01/23/10 04:11 PM Re: motor oil [Re: 98P73_IRAQ]
stalag Offline
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Registered: 03/29/09
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Loc: Columbus, OH
I had a 1997 Mercury Grand Marquis with 190000 miles that did not burn any oil. Burning of oil is indicative of other problems with the engine. This does not include the valve stem seal problem reported in early 199x models that cause oil "burning"

Stalag
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2001 Lincoln Town Car Cartier L, 1997 Mercury Grand Marquis (extinct)
On my LTC the following mods/upgrades were added. Heinous motorsport control arms, Command Automotive SD-1 rotors (these rotors can no longer be obtained), Calipers by Goldlinebrakes.com in silver with Hawk HPS pads (now running Ford OEM), MSD COP's. MZT is also applied with programming from BOC. j-mod is now done. Final rebuild of transmission done by Gearstar.

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#1963112 - 01/23/10 04:15 PM Re: motor oil [Re: stalag]
98P73_IRAQ Offline
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Registered: 04/26/08
Posts: 2945
Loc: iraq-baghdad-hell's street
yeah, like piston rings for example.

chinease rings still fine for 10000 miles then start to act up. OEM stuff is little rare here.
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1992 crownvic LX P74 (ex US DOD unit) SOLD 2009
1998 crownvic P73 (came from canada) SOLD 2014
1990 oldsmobile cutlass cierra 3.1L FE3 WORK VEHICLE
2007 toyota yaris 1.3L wife vehicle SOLD
2011 ford edge limited 3.5L AWD flooded (lifetime project)
2012 Ford Focus 2.0L. Exciting transmission technology.


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#1963140 - 01/23/10 05:15 PM Re: motor oil [Re: 98P73_IRAQ]
stalag Offline
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Registered: 03/29/09
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Loc: Columbus, OH
Is it possible to order from like Jegs or Summit and have them ship needed parts? I know that the cheap chinese crap abounds for you but I am wondering if some normalacy has developed for you. Online ordering can be slow but many companies here are willing to ship.

stalag
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Stalag;___________Just for Rizzo I am posting this in my sig. Coolants
2001 Lincoln Town Car Cartier L, 1997 Mercury Grand Marquis (extinct)
On my LTC the following mods/upgrades were added. Heinous motorsport control arms, Command Automotive SD-1 rotors (these rotors can no longer be obtained), Calipers by Goldlinebrakes.com in silver with Hawk HPS pads (now running Ford OEM), MSD COP's. MZT is also applied with programming from BOC. j-mod is now done. Final rebuild of transmission done by Gearstar.

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#1963388 - 01/23/10 11:35 PM Re: motor oil [Re: stalag]
dmitriy Offline
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Registered: 11/19/08
Posts: 145
Loc: kherson,ukraine
friends, I think it's time to finish.
conclusion is obvious. to shed 5w30. if the engine has a problem - pouring a viscous oil, or search for the problem of poor performance of the engine. With regard to spare parts. Lonni with bluovalchip said that I Caribbean mafia, and to me he can not work. I explains to him - I have a hobby American cars. He can not or will not. I think you need some advice or guarantee.
We do not have expertise in repair of American cars. Repair itself. Dismantled and assembled crown from bumper to bumper. Accumulated vast experience and continue to learn. Thanks to your advice

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#1963538 - 01/24/10 07:56 AM Re: motor oil [Re: dmitriy]
98P73_IRAQ Offline
Over the Hill

Registered: 04/26/08
Posts: 2945
Loc: iraq-baghdad-hell's street
just do what i did and you will be fine.
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1992 crownvic LX P74 (ex US DOD unit) SOLD 2009
1998 crownvic P73 (came from canada) SOLD 2014
1990 oldsmobile cutlass cierra 3.1L FE3 WORK VEHICLE
2007 toyota yaris 1.3L wife vehicle SOLD
2011 ford edge limited 3.5L AWD flooded (lifetime project)
2012 Ford Focus 2.0L. Exciting transmission technology.


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#1963756 - 01/24/10 03:20 PM Re: motor oil [Re: 98P73_IRAQ]
ford05 Offline
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Registered: 07/24/08
Posts: 5842
Loc: New Jersey
so after useing 10w40 conventional oil in my crown vic for 2 years, i went with a motorcraft oil filter and 6qts of motor 5w30 fully syenthetic oil yesturday. One thing i can say is that my car starts up way better then before for sure. Not only that but i also noticed a big difference in wot. Car seems to take off better. Is it really possible that the oil did that? I am very impressed.
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#1963913 - 01/24/10 06:13 PM Re: motor oil [Re: ford05]
stalag Offline
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Registered: 03/29/09
Posts: 3978
Loc: Columbus, OH
yes
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Stalag;___________Just for Rizzo I am posting this in my sig. Coolants
2001 Lincoln Town Car Cartier L, 1997 Mercury Grand Marquis (extinct)
On my LTC the following mods/upgrades were added. Heinous motorsport control arms, Command Automotive SD-1 rotors (these rotors can no longer be obtained), Calipers by Goldlinebrakes.com in silver with Hawk HPS pads (now running Ford OEM), MSD COP's. MZT is also applied with programming from BOC. j-mod is now done. Final rebuild of transmission done by Gearstar.

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#1963937 - 01/24/10 06:37 PM Re: motor oil [Re: stalag]
thegreat22 Offline
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Registered: 07/23/09
Posts: 224
Loc: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
what about 10w30 i changed my oil with the mobil oil about 2 months ago
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