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#1925876 - 12/03/09 10:10 PM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: Interim]
rookies86vic Offline
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yikes...
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#1927052 - 12/05/09 10:09 AM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: rookies86vic]
Marquisracer1 Offline
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Registered: 10/25/09
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Have to say, while not "sports cars", after driving my Marquis those are pretty impressive videos. Particularly for cars that weigh almost 2 tons and were not really built with ultimate performance in mind.

With only about $150 to play with (chumpcar/24hoursoflemons), I'm probably not going to get close to that. HPP/police sway bars and some new bushings will probably be about it.

Already upgraded to HPP bars, and managed to find a full set of Gabriel Ultras (police up front) brand new for $50 from Rockauto. Hopefully this will make a difference, and I'll adjust from there.

Now, if I could only find a 3.55 w/tracloc in a junkyard, I'd be in good shape.
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#1927163 - 12/05/09 01:36 PM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: Marquisracer1]
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Same here, I'm having trouble finding Crown Vics around here \:\(
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#1960114 - 01/19/10 03:42 PM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: Interim]
tspa Offline
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Registered: 03/12/04
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Hey bondfreak, looks like those extra heavy bars weren't too much after all. Looks like the handling was vastly improved! How is it on the street?

Good video, too bad the announcer commenting on your car was cut off short at the end.

I have been working on my house too much to even find time to install mine. Can you believe that!?

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#1960461 - 01/20/10 12:02 AM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: tspa]
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tspa, It's good on the street. It's fun to hang with some of the full size BMW's, Audi's, and Benz's in the truns out here. I get some looks. even have a Guy in an S2000 give me a thumbs up once. if your doing the bars save yourself the trouble and do the shocks while your down there. The ride will suffer a bit but not too much, after all we do own 112 inch wheel base cars.

as for the announcer, what he said was " That is quite a challage getting that boat around the course. it isn't easy, my hats off to him for making it look easy to drive a two ton car like a Miata"

Get Yer Arse and get those bars installed.
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#1961965 - 01/22/10 01:18 AM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: Bondfreak13]
tspa Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Bondfreak13
...as for the announcer, what he said was " That is quite a challage getting that boat around the course. it isn't easy, my hats off to him for making it look easy to drive a two ton car like a Miata"

Get Yer Arse and get those bars installed.



LOL on both comments! Anyone have a garage that I could borrow for a few hours?

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#2352759 - 08/14/11 02:29 PM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: Marquisracer1]
tspa Offline
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I know, I know, two or more years is way too long, but I FINALLY installed my Big Azz Bars!

I recently had installed 850 lb/in front springs with a 1" drop from Coilsprings.com. I thought that I could have gone to somewhat stiffer while using my stock HPP front & rear sway bars. So I was a little disappointed.

Now that the big bars are on, I got just the ride/handling that I was looking to achieve. Vastly improved!!! I didn't even get on much due to rain, but can notice the improvement. The changes weren't even too much for my wife. So all are happy.

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#2354762 - 08/17/11 12:45 PM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: Marquisracer1]
tspa Offline
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Holy Scat! Car handles much better than before!!!

The only complaints that I have is that washboard type surfaces are more noticable. Every slight side to side variation on road is more noticable. Not to the point of being annoying. Also, the rear still tends to want to swing out when pushed very hard. Perhaps the original 200k miles air springs and 160k miles rear Bilsteins aren't up to par?

The good...able to attack curves more aggressively than ever before. For lack of a good description...The car used to "hop" when pushed hard through a long sweeping turn at speed. Slowing down to reduce drift. Now it is just a smooth transition, with little speed drop. The rear can be felt by the seat of pants to be wanting to walk out.

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#2354869 - 08/17/11 04:18 PM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: Crownvicman289]
tspa Offline
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Originally Posted By: Crownvicman289
...Unlikely, but hopefully I plan to install some rear coils with a rate around 250# (CVPI's have 160#) and still don't fear an unbalanced car. I predict the contrary actually...


What rear spring is rated as 250lbs?


Edited by tspa (08/17/11 04:20 PM)

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#2358388 - 08/23/11 08:00 PM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: Marquisracer1]
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I am not sure why Ford didn't put anti-sway bars on ALL base model/civilian Grand Marquiss and Crown Victorias from the factory. The ones with the ultra soft suspension and no rear anti-sway bar are just downright dangerous in my opinion.

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#2358465 - 08/23/11 09:19 PM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: BlaineB]
tspa Offline
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Originally Posted By: BlaineB
I am not sure why Ford didn't put anti-sway bars on ALL base model/civilian Grand Marquiss and Crown Victorias from the factory. The ones with the ultra soft suspension and no rear anti-sway bar are just downright dangerous in my opinion.


I agree! Since I almost bought a new 1996 Impala SS, I insisted on driving the best handling Panther made. It was the HPP that was so much better than the base model that a relative had bought. I wouldn't have bought one if the HPP didn't exist.

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#2358754 - 08/24/11 10:02 AM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: Marquisracer1]
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Ford really should have put rear sway bars on all of these cars, I know that when my end link popped on my stock rear bar, the car handled like crap and I noticed it immediately. The only thing I can figure is that it was a cost cutting measure proposed by some bean counter somewhere in FoMoCo, that was allowed to happen because of the target demographic for these cars. I mean have you ever seen an old person corner at more than 3mph?? laugh

Upgrading from the 17mm stock sway bar to the 21mm HPP sway bar made a huge difference as well.
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#2358968 - 08/24/11 04:00 PM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: Marquisracer1]
BlaineB Offline
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I am not too familiar with the 03+ non-P71s, but do they get rear-anti swaybars after that time? For some reason I was thinking that it was only up until 2002 that they did not receive a rear anti-sway bar as standard. I could be wrong.

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#2359206 - 08/24/11 09:26 PM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: Marquisracer1]
JSanders Offline
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Registered: 03/25/11
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I know nothing about the Vic when it comes to suspension and handling.
What do you recommend for an 01 P73..assuming no back sway bar at all?...is it easy to add one? If so, would you go with a 21mm right off the bat or does that require an upgrade to the front also?
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#2359417 - 08/25/11 01:50 AM Re: Sway bar upgrade- 'splain this to me. [Re: Marquisracer1]
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Well, the perfect combination would be a P71 front and rear anti-sway bar coupled with P71 shocks and P71 springs. For the pre-03 cars, the Police suspension isn't jarring, it is really comfortable yet performance oriented.

03+ P71's are a night and day difference, MUCH stiffer and more stable, much less body roll as well. 2006-2011 P71s are even more stiff with the addition of steel front LCAs and even stiffer front springs. My friend's 2006 P71 is the best car I've been in, even over other 2005 P71s I've been in. You can really tell the difference, even between the two years.

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