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#2399574 - 11/02/11 03:23 AM Any upgrade recommendations for speakers?
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I'm looking to upgrade the speakers in my Grand Marquis for better quality sound. This is a bit of a grey area for me, as I've only just starting looking into it.

Checked with a so-called audio specialist, who recommended 400 watt Pioneer speakers all around and a 1,400 watt, 12" Pioneer sub with amplifier. Now I'm no audio junkie, but isn't that a bit too much (3,000 watts?)? I'm not looking to blow my ears off or anything, but just want crisper, better quality sound.

Does anyone happen to have any recommendations? confused Thanks!
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#2399577 - 11/02/11 03:32 AM Re: Any upgrade recommendations for speakers? [Re: White Falcon LS]
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#2399580 - 11/02/11 03:39 AM Re: Any upgrade recommendations for speakers? [Re: White Falcon LS]
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2 pairs of Co-axial 5x7s should do nicely. They'll sound cleaner and allow you to play them a little louder. Not much louder though.

There's generally four stages to stereo upgrades.

You've already done the first one by selecting an after market head unit. It probably sounds better and plays louder than the original. You probably got it for the media it would play.

The next step would be to add some speakers like you figured.

The third step would be to put a 4 channel amp in to power the new speakers. Add this amp if you aren't satisfied with the output from the new speakers.

The fourth step would be the full blown system that the sales guy suggested. His recommendations are definitely going to get the job done but they might be over kill for what you want.
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#2399581 - 11/02/11 03:43 AM Re: Any upgrade recommendations for speakers? [Re: White Falcon LS]
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1. do you have a sub
2. do you like clear highs
3. do you like tons of bass
4. what kind of money do you wanna spend
5. are you running amps for your mids and highs
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#2399585 - 11/02/11 03:49 AM Re: Any upgrade recommendations for speakers? [Re: ALPHA]
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Thanks for the input!

Originally Posted By: ALPHA_OKAMI
1. do you have a sub


No. Everything's stock except for the head unit.

Originally Posted By: ALPHA_OKAMI
2. do you like clear highs


Yes!

Originally Posted By: ALPHA_OKAMI
3. do you like tons of bass


To a certain extent, yes. But not where you can feel it in your bones.

Originally Posted By: ALPHA_OKAMI
4. what kind of money do you wanna spend


Up to $750 tops.

Originally Posted By: ALPHA_OKAMI
5. are you running amps for your mids and highs


Nothing at the moment.
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#2399586 - 11/02/11 04:15 AM Re: Any upgrade recommendations for speakers? [Re: White Falcon LS]
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Ignore everything said above.


Infinity Kappa component 5x7s/6x9

Infinity BassLink self powered 10" subwoofer

Done and done, for less than $400

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#2399587 - 11/02/11 04:20 AM Re: Any upgrade recommendations for speakers? [Re: White Falcon LS]
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ok if your anything like me i like bass to make the music have depth. so bass does not need to shake the car, just make the music sound epic

if you like clear highs, i love INFINITY'S that have the components with tweeters, they dont produce tons of bass and super clean clean mids and highs, and for 150 a set so 300 for 4 of them and they come with the tweeter cross over. great buy. and they work great with stock decks...but like i said they dont produce lots of bass, if you want bass that wont kill your car, get a sealed 10 in sub that will fit on the top shelf. im running kicker amp and 10 in sub and it sounds like theater, and its clean bass.

these speakers sound even better on a amp, just like any other, and a lot of people dont know is that speakers and subs sound better after being used for a few months, they all have break in periods.

if i had the money to run all infinity or rockford foz i would. those sound great as well and American made. sound even better than infinity's, but they are a lot more cause being made in the states, but they will last forever.

thats my take, im a bit of a sound nut.
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#2399643 - 11/02/11 09:42 AM Re: Any upgrade recommendations for speakers? [Re: White Falcon LS]
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Thanks for the input. Did quite a bit of reading, and at the moment I have the following on my list:

- Pioneer 6x9 3-way speakers with tweeters for the rear (600W)
- Alpine 6x8 2-way speakers with tweeters for the front doors (300W)
- Pioneer 12" Champion subwoofer (1,200W)
- Kenwood mono amplifier for the subwoofer (750W)
- Kenwood stereo amplifier for speakers (350W)

Total so far: $386

Considering a sealed MDF box for the subwoofer, just enough to fit next to the fullsize spare.
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#2399685 - 11/02/11 10:48 AM Re: Any upgrade recommendations for speakers? [Re: White Falcon LS]
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kenwood is they only thing i would touch in that list. but thats just me, the other stuff can sound good, but ive never had great luck with them
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#2400109 - 11/02/11 09:59 PM Re: Any upgrade recommendations for speakers? [Re: White Falcon LS]
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I'm no audio junkie either, but I think just some high quality speakers and a new head unit might make for that clearer, higher quality sound you were looking for. I was looking to upgrade the audio system in my truck a while back, they recommended I'd get some Kicker speakers to replace the factory ones and a decent headunit. Whole system would have been like $250 with installation included, IIRC. Well, good luck.
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#2400136 - 11/02/11 10:39 PM Re: Any upgrade recommendations for speakers? [Re: White Falcon LS]
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My head unit is a Blaupunk (prob misspelled) its all I use to power 6 speakers. When I sellect speakers I look for the ones with the widest frequency range. Highs not much over 20,000 hertz the hard part is finding lows in the 20 hrtz range. I like my set up to sound like I am wearing head phones. I am a bass player so lows are important to me. A real low bass note might be 40 hrtz. Below that is synsizer stuff. Not shure about a obo. Any whoo the speakes I decided on were Sony's.
2 6x9 triax in the rear think they went down to 30 hrtz they were about 100.00. One in each door sorry 2 door here 6 or 6 1/2. Think they are 2 way think they hit down around 35 hrtz maybe 80.00. The 2 dash speekers go down to 45 hrtz i think around 60 a pair. I dont think any of them were abouve 32,000 hrtz. I dont like them too high think they pick up noise/ interferance if they do. None were below 20,000 for highs.
No one has gotten in my ride without commenting on how great the sound system is. They loved the bass as it almost hits on subwoofer pumch. LOL one guy with a very expensive set up in a excersion after listening to my stereo put the same CD in his and went nuts trying to make it sound like my ride. This guy owned a recording studio and ran around the country DJ ing. Speakers have been in the car for over 8 years. Talk about clear you will hear stuff you have never heard before or heards in your home rig but not in the car and clear singing make out words not guess at them.

I have all of 40 watts per channel at 12 volts.

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#2400624 - 11/03/11 09:08 PM Re: Any upgrade recommendations for speakers? [Re: White Falcon LS]
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boston acoustics have amazing highs if you get something like the sx85. thats what i have. mtx also sells very nice two piece systems where the woofer and tweeter can be in different locations to stop from drowning. the best thing would be to go to a store and switch between the speakers until you find a depth you like. as for the subs, the better quality amp you go with makes all the difference. a cheap sony amp is just that, cheap, and sounds like garbage. i wouldn't be to worried about amping the speakers just yet, they should be plenty loud enough and clear enough off the deck
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#2400967 - 11/04/11 01:33 PM Re: Any upgrade recommendations for speakers? [Re: White Falcon LS]
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Some sound advice above, some not so sound.

For the level of system you're after (sounds good, not looking to enter competitions) you will be just fine sticking to any of the big name mainstream brands, eg Kenwood, Pioneer, Kicker, Alpine, etc. Kenwood and Pioneer both manufacture 6x8 coaxial (mid range woofer and high range tweeter in line on the same "axis") speakers that are designed to fit into the stock locations on any number of Ford and Mazda vehicles, including Crown Vics. They just drop right in, and they sound fine. Other manufacturers I'm sure do a good job also, but those two would be easy and reliable. Since you have a Pioneer deck, maybe you'd like to keep it all one brand. You can fit 6x9s, especially in the rear deck, but it's a bit more of a hassle, and doesn't make a whole lot of difference to the sound. The mainstream coaxial speakers are happy enough being driven by the head unit, but do sound better with an amp. A 4 channel amp allows you to keep front/back fader control, a 2 channel amp would not. Rarely have I ever needed to change the front back fade much. I wouldn't recommend Pioneer rears and Alpine fronts - try to keep the same make and model line - not essential, but it keeps the sound consistent.

A sub definitely fills out the sound, but does eat up some trunk space. If you can fit one in the space next to the spare, that's not so much of a problem. Lots of manufacturers make nice subs, but you basically can't go wrong with a JL Audio "3" series, or an Infinity Perfect. Don't go for too high end of a sub - it'll just require a more powerful amp to push it, and it'll be capable of playing far louder than you need for music listening. I have a JL Audio 10w3, with a 250w Rockford Fosgate amp, and I have the sub level on my HU at -3 (it goes from -10 to +10) An amp is required for a sub - try to match the amp output to the recommended power handling for the sub, at least reasonably close (eg 250-400w amp is ok for sub rated for 300w, but a true 1000w amp would be overkill). Amp manufacturer is FAR more important here than the mfr supplied power ratings. A Rockford Fosgate amp rated at 200w is going to be better than a Boss amp rated (by Boss) at 1000w. Alpine, RF, Kicker, JL make nice amps that don't break the bank. There are others, but honestly I'd steer clear of Kenwood, Pioneer, Sony in the sub amp section, unless you go with their higher end lines - Pioneer Premier,etc. For the 4ch amp, powering low power requirement coaxials, any of the Alpine, RF, Kicker, JL, MTX, even Kenwood, Pioneer, Sony would be fine. A watt is a watt, and they can all provide the 30-40w or so that is required to make 6x8 speakers very loud and clear - it's the low frequencies sent to a sub that require more power, and consequently the better quality components found in Rockford Fosgate, JL, etc amps.

Remember that adding amps is going to be a more complicated to install, you'll need to buy good amp kits, (the power, ground and signal wires, figure about $100-$150 for a mono plus 4-ch setup) and you might have to fight alternator whine (electrical noise in the signal getting amplified).

Hope that helps - you really don't have to overthink it to get a great sounding system. Mine (see my sig) sounds really good, and I'm using mid range, mid price components, and a 4-ch Sony amp that I bought used for $20 (I had a nice Alpine, but it seems to have been thrown out of my garage in some Spring cleaning activity). The Sony is basically a POS, but the system sounds great despite.

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#2400972 - 11/04/11 01:39 PM Re: Any upgrade recommendations for speakers? [Re: The_Punisher]
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Originally Posted By: The_Punisher
bose.... only way to go for clarity and quality acoustics.

Umm - no.
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#2400987 - 11/04/11 02:04 PM Re: Any upgrade recommendations for speakers? [Re: White Falcon LS]
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Originally Posted By: White Falcon LS
Thanks for the input. Did quite a bit of reading, and at the moment I have the following on my list:

- Pioneer 6x9 3-way speakers with tweeters for the rear (600W)
- Alpine 6x8 2-way speakers with tweeters for the front doors (300W)
- Pioneer 12" Champion subwoofer (1,200W)
- Kenwood mono amplifier for the subwoofer (750W)
- Kenwood stereo amplifier for speakers (350W)

Total so far: $386

Considering a sealed MDF box for the subwoofer, just enough to fit next to the fullsize spare.


Be sure to shop around these places have great prices.
http://www.al-eds.com/
http://www.woofersetc.com/
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/
http://www.techronics.com/
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