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#2451499 - 02/04/12 04:27 PM Manual transmission for the crown vic
2004_p71 Offline

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Recently I have seens lots of post regarding the manual swap so heres a summary of what you should know abouth it and what is the best transmission for this kind of swap.

Information is provided by Tremec and rating are for stock transmission.
http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English/products/tremec.asp


T-5

-Can be found in any older fox body mustangs
-will only fit the 92.5- car because of it,s bolt pattern that is common to the 5.0 and 5.8 engines.
-Rating 230 lbtq on a 5500 lbs GVW
-Should not be used in stock trim as reliability will be and issue

T-45
-Can be found in the 96 to 2000 mustangs
-Will fit any 92.5+ car.
-Better torque rating at 325lbtq on a 3260lbs GVW
-Non performance/racing driving style recomended due to lower hp and tq ratings but it should be upgraded to higher torque capacity to be reliable.

TR-3650

-Can be found in the 2001 to 2010 mustangs (05 to 10 uses hydraulic clutch set-up)
-Will fit any 92.5 cars
-Rating 360lbtq 3260GWV
-Better torque rating over the t-45 for stock and mildly modified cars


TKO 500/600

-Unit never came stock in any mustangs
-will fit ANY cars with proper bell housing
-Excelent torque rating at 500 lbtq or 600lbtq depending the model
-high performance transmission that is rather rought and noisy.


T-56

-Can be found in 2003/2004 Mustang cobra and the 2000 mustang cobra R
-Will fit any 92.5+ cars
-Excelent torque rating 450lbtq
-High performance transmission with 6 speeds


T-6060

-Can be found in the 2007 to present Mustang shelby GT500
-Will fit any 92.5+ cars with modification on the trans crossmember and drive shaft and hydraulic clutch conversion.
-Excelent torque rating at 600lbtq
-High performance transmission with 6 speed


Keep in mind that the spec are for bone stock transmission regardless what the aftermarket has to offer.

Many transmission specialist will be able to up-grade any of theses transmission to fit higher torque rating.

Most of the basic up-grade are:

-1/2 Gorilla Shift Fork
- Cryo Hardened 10-Spline Input Shaft
- Bronze Shift Fork Pads
- Dual Hardened Fork Pins 1-4
- Upgraded Low Alloy Steel Bearing Retainer
- Carbon Fiber Synchros

That should bring you around the 400 lbtq torque rating so keep in mind that anything above that will require a 26 spline input shaft.

From my own experience I would highly recomended you that you buy at least rebuilted transmission or up-graded transmission as often the used unit need to be rebuilted and will cost you more at the end.

Stock rebuilted transmission like the TR 3650 can be found for abouth 800$ to 1000$ while the up-graded tr3650 can be found for around 1700$

heres some tremec distributors:
http://www.americanpowertrain.com/Tremec-Transmissions-Ford-Mustang.htm
http://www.promotionpowertrain.com/1524384.html

Hope this helps smile
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#2451519 - 02/04/12 05:11 PM Re: Manual transmission for the crown vic [Re: 2004_p71]
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Very nice write-up Pier. This should be stickied.
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#2451520 - 02/04/12 05:14 PM Re: Manual transmission for the crown vic [Re: 2004_p71]
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Simple and too the Point. Hope it gets stickied.
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#2451521 - 02/04/12 05:14 PM Re: Manual transmission for the crown vic [Re: 2004_p71]
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thanks man

I alredy asked to be added on my original write up
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#2451522 - 02/04/12 05:15 PM Re: Manual transmission for the crown vic [Re: Bondfreak13]
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Originally Posted By: Bondfreak13
Simple and too the Point. Hope it gets stickied.


that was the point so nobody get confused smile
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#2452414 - 02/05/12 11:09 PM Re: Manual transmission for the crown vic [Re: 2004_p71]
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Very nice
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#2452525 - 02/06/12 01:32 AM Re: Manual transmission for the crown vic [Re: 2004_p71]
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Excellent write-up and information! x2 this should be stickied.
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#2452568 - 02/06/12 06:09 AM Re: Manual transmission for the crown vic [Re: 2004_p71]
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thanks guys smile
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#2452672 - 02/06/12 01:10 PM Re: Manual transmission for the crown vic [Re: 2004_p71]
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X3 on this being sticky'd
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#2452821 - 02/06/12 06:00 PM Re: Manual transmission for the crown vic [Re: 2004_p71]
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Sticky here and add to the BOK article.
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#2452824 - 02/06/12 06:04 PM Re: Manual transmission for the crown vic [Re: 2004_p71]
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#2452949 - 02/06/12 08:54 PM Re: Manual transmission for the crown vic [Re: 2004_p71]
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the TKO is really the best transmission to use if you plan on making power.
it has the best aftermarket support.
you can get a full face-tooth version from Liberty.

I got my tr3650 for $600 so I went that route but it is the least aftermarket supported
the only thing adding strength on the basic upgrade list is they stuffed the input into a deep freeze which may or may not be an improvement
what breaks first on a tr3650?
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#2452961 - 02/06/12 09:06 PM Re: Manual transmission for the crown vic [Re: 2004_p71]
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^^ I'll second the TKO. They are a gnarly trans to drive. It's like a race car but I like that feeling. I don't want it to feel like a mid 90's stock Honda shifter.

As far as the 3650's weak points? Shift forks are the most prone. A friend of mine broke his input shaft too.

But then again there are guys making 11 second passes on a stock 3650 with no issues. Your driving has a lot to do with it.


Edited by NGreen0807 (02/06/12 09:07 PM)
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#2453165 - 02/07/12 06:29 AM Re: Manual transmission for the crown vic [Re: m_j]
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Originally Posted By: m_j
I got my tr3650 for $600 so I went that route but it is the least aftermarket supported
the only thing adding strength on the basic upgrade list is they stuffed the input into a deep freeze which may or may not be an improvement
what breaks first on a tr3650?


When I bought my trans 3 years ago from american powertrain I got the best available back then and it was suppose to be capable of 495 lbtq.Not too long ago I went back to their website and the same spec are now rated for 430 lbtq and not the 495 as advertised.So I called a reputable local shop that is a tremec dealer that has an excelent reputation and told him abouth my my trans and the so called 495 lbtq rating.
According to him back then the aftermarket wasnt too crazy abouth the TR3650 but now there are a lot more options.

Once the internals are up-graded the weak point is the 10 spline imput shaft and it,s no big surprise.
The 10 spline will either twist or breaks so the answer to this issue is a 26 spline imput shaft.
So with a 26 spline shaft matched with the proper clutch/pressure plate set-up I can expect to get the ratings I was looking 3 years ago.
I thought I was done with this but looks like I'm going to put some other project on the rear burner and put some more money again on the trans nono
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#2453673 - 02/07/12 08:00 PM Re: Manual transmission for the crown vic [Re: 2004_p71]
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What power level/amount of abuse are we taling about breaking the input shaft at?
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