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#2849794 - 07/21/14 10:10 PM Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question
Tankred Offline
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I'm trading a third generation Camaro for my friend's 77 Ford LTD. I'm pretty good with newer Ford products, but I don't have too much knowledge outside of modular engines. He is positive that this car has a 351w in it, but I could have swore these cars didn't have them as an option. Did they have a 351w? Actually, what all engines came in these cars anyways?

Thanks in advance smile


Edited by Tankred (07/21/14 10:29 PM)
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#2849822 - 07/22/14 12:49 AM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: Tankred]
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Pretty sure 351W was an option, unless it was a 351M.

Largest engine you could get was a 460.
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#2849886 - 07/22/14 11:10 AM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: Tankred]
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For 1977, I believe the engine choices on those LTDs were the 351M, the 400 & the 460. The 351W may have been offered as a fleet-only engine for taxis & light-duty cop packages; but not on the retail models. 351M was the standard engine for coupes & sedans that year with the 400 being the standard engine for the wagons.

I don't believe the Windsor blocks made a comeback on the retail versions of these big cars until '78 (their final pre-Panther year); when the 302 once again became the LTD's standard engine (for fuel economy reasons). For that year, the 351W, 351M, 400 & 460 were options.

One way to check whether or not that 351 is the Windsor or Modified would be to look at the decal of the valve-cover gasket. Since the 400 & 351M have the same size engine block, the decal will list in small print "351M/400". If that decal lists that; your 351 is the Modified (351M).

When I bought my '76 LTD nearly 21 years ago, the seller told me that it had the 351W. I opened the hood, saw the 351M/400 decal and proved him wrong.
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#2850034 - 07/22/14 10:39 PM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: Tankred]
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Good news gentlemen! It IS a 351w! After work today me and my friend got to talking about what all he's done to the car and he mentioned putting a fuel pump on it. Being a habitual hoarder of everything he takes off of cars, I asked if he still had the old one. Sure enough, its a 351 Windsor fuel pump, the bolt holes run horizontal, not vertical like the Cleveland pumps.

Granted, I could have looked at the valve cover gaskets or like everyone else at the block casting #...
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#2850118 - 07/23/14 10:34 AM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: Tankred]
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Is it the base LTD or the Landau model; the latter has concealed highlights?

I'm assuming yours is the former (unless otherwise noted) given it has the 351W; which I believe was still a fleet-only offering for '77 on the full-sizes.
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#2850355 - 07/23/14 10:55 PM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: CJCCV]
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Originally Posted By: CJCCV
Is it the base LTD or the Landau model; the latter has concealed highlights?

I'm assuming yours is the former (unless otherwise noted) given it has the 351W; which I believe was still a fleet-only offering for '77 on the full-sizes.


Its a base model. But still, AC and an AM/FM radio, what more could you want out of a car? Oh, and only 66000~ miles.

I drove the old bird home today, too. Besides needing rear shocks, the thing drives amazingly. Oh, and does wicked burnouts... Couldn't help myself grin
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#2850441 - 07/24/14 09:44 AM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: Tankred]
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Originally Posted By: Tankred
Its a base model. But still, AC and an AM/FM radio, what more could you want out of a car? Oh, and only 66000~ miles.
What... no 8-track w/Quadrasonic sound? biggrin

I had two '76 LTDs (not at the same time); one was a base-model 4-door that only equipped options were the AM/FM radio and a rear-window defogger (not to be confused w/the defroster). It was so stripped, that I'm surprised it wasn't a Custom 500 (which was still available in the US market as a fleet-only model). It had the 351M for an engine. Not sure whether it was a fleet car or not (I bought it in 1985 and ran until 1988); if it were, it could've (but didn't) come w/the 351W.

My 2nd '76 LTD was a Landau coupe that only had AM/FM radio, Climate Control, power windows & seats, rear-window defroster, and dual-remote (cable-driven) outside for the only options. It was probably the only Landau model of that era I saw not equipped with cruise/speed control. It also had the 351M. I owned that one from 1993 until 2010.

Note: some very early-production models still had the 0-120 mph speedometers, the switch to 0-85 mph (w/0-140 km/h listings) come about roughly a month after productions of the '77 models started. I'm assuming that yours has the latter for a speedometer.

Nice find and enjoy your LTD.

P.S. The Windsor-block 351 was overall a more reliable engine than its Modified-Cleveland counterpart.
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#2850465 - 07/24/14 11:51 AM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: CJCCV]
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Originally Posted By: CJCCV

Note: some very early-production models still had the 0-120 mph speedometers, the switch to 0-85 mph (w/0-140 km/h listings) come about roughly a month after productions of the '77 models started. I'm assuming that yours has the latter for a speedometer.


Mine still has the 0-120 speedo! Turns out this is a pretty need old bird I've got.

Originally Posted By: CJCCV

P.S. The Windsor-block 351 was overall a more reliable engine than its Modified-Cleveland counterpart.


That's what I'm excited about. I'm already trying to source the older C9oe-B heads for it. Bigger intake and exhaust valves... I don't think I'll have clearance issues but we'll see.

EDIT: I'll take some pictures of it this evening after work. It's got some knick-knacky problems, but nothing absolutely huge. Paint's ugly as hell but the chrome's in good shape and most of it is there.


Edited by Tankred (07/24/14 11:52 AM)
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#2850566 - 07/24/14 10:20 PM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: Tankred]
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#2850581 - 07/25/14 12:10 AM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: Tankred]
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Ugh, why did I ever sell my 77. I miss it so much frown
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#2850649 - 07/25/14 10:48 AM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: Tankred]
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Originally Posted By: Tankred
That's what I'm excited about. I'm already trying to source the older C9oe-B heads for it. Bigger intake and exhaust valves... I don't think I'll have clearance issues but we'll see.
Given that it's s a 351W and that it only has 66k on it; I would, personally, just would leave the engine alone and have it fitted for dual-exhausts (if it doesn't already have such).

Again, that's a very nice find. Had I bought that car, I would drive it until the it couldn't go no more.
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#2850738 - 07/25/14 08:29 PM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: Tankred]
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That thing needs a set of wheels, AFR heads and a stroker kit in the worst way.


Or just a set of wheels and a killer stereo for some good old fashion cruising.
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#2850859 - 07/26/14 12:31 PM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: pantera77]
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Originally Posted By: pantera77
Ugh, why did I ever sell my 77. I miss it so much frown


you fool
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#2850870 - 07/26/14 02:06 PM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: Alex07]
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Originally Posted By: Alex07
Originally Posted By: pantera77
Ugh, why did I ever sell my 77. I miss it so much frown


you fool


I traded it for my 85 Tudor which is a much better car honestly. However I do still miss it, along with it's 460 goodness, too bad it was derbied.
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#2851451 - 07/30/14 12:18 AM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: pantera77]
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too bad it was derbied.


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#2881320 - 01/18/15 02:37 AM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: Tankred]
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If you are looking for Ltd parts let me know. I know of a 2 door and a 4 door being parted out. I have a 75 Ltd that I have had for many years. 460 with C-6. It will be up for sale in the spring. It will not be cheap though.

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#2886199 - 02/24/15 11:41 AM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: Tankred]
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Originally Posted By: Tankred
I'm already trying to source the older C9oe-B heads for it. Bigger intake and exhaust valves...

I don't know if you have made any progress on finding better heads, but I would recommend against the C9/D0 heads and instead go with GT40 or GT40P heads. They already have hardened seats, will flow better and are cheap and plentiful on Explorer engines in the bone yards. The down side to the GT40P heads is that they need a unique exhaust manifold. GT40 heads take standard exhaust manifolds. Some GT40 heads are already drilled for the 351W 1/2" size head bolts.
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#2917637 - 09/13/15 10:15 PM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: Tankred]
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Very nice. Something about '70s cars I just love, huge bumpers and all. I would look high and low for a set of oem wheel covers, and keep it cosmetically stock. Please don't put 24" wheels on it. I know many disagree, but I think a '70s car should not have anything larger than 15" wheels. I have seen so many nice old cars ruined (IMO) by installing huge wheels and rubber band tires. True, they are just a bolt on mod, and can easily be put back to stock. If the steel wheels on it are in bad shape, new and refurbished ones are available. The covers will be harder to find.

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#3630281 - 05/05/17 02:48 AM Re: Acquiring a 77 Ford LTD, and I've got a question [Re: JunkyardJerry]
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Originally Posted By JunkyardJerry
Very nice. Something about '70s cars I just love, huge bumpers and all. I would look high and low for a set of oem wheel covers, and keep it cosmetically stock. Please don't put 24" wheels on it. I know many disagree, but I think a '70s car should not have anything larger than 15" wheels. I have seen so many nice old cars ruined (IMO) by installing huge wheels and rubber band tires. True, they are just a bolt on mod, and can easily be put back to stock. If the steel wheels on it are in bad shape, new and refurbished ones are available. The covers will be harder to find.


What he said, although I'm not always a fan of factory caps.

A nice set of Torq-Thrust or Cragar S/S five-spokes, though... drool

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