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#355430 - 01/23/04 07:42 PM Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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OK, I am pissed off. I have had my rotors turned three times in the past year and half. I had them done at a Ford dealer the first time, so the past two times were under warranty, but STILL! And now they are wobbling AGAIN!

What is the best aftermarket brand of rotors for a 1998 CVPI? Know anyplace I can get them online for cheap?

I don't know if I need just fronts or rears or both. should I just replace them _all_ while I'm at it?

Thanks for any advice!

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#355431 - 01/23/04 07:49 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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#355432 - 01/23/04 08:07 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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There are tons of brake rotor discussions in 4.6L Tech Talk and in the 4.6L Tech Archive. I would suggest using the search function... folks here have tried quite a few different rotors with varied results.
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#355433 - 01/23/04 08:33 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Posting in multiple forums is a no-no, Erin...




Thanks Ron, after I posted in the lounge I figured more people would actually see and respond to it here. :-)

Erin.

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#355434 - 01/23/04 08:38 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Quote:

There are tons of brake rotor discussions in 4.6L Tech Talk and in the 4.6L Tech Archive. I would suggest using the search function... folks here have tried quite a few different rotors with varied results.




Thanks for the hint. I used search and found the link to Command Automotive. I sent them an e-mail to get a quote for replacement of all four rotors. Someone else recommended "Raybestos Super Stop severe duty rotors (cross drilled/slotted)" but I can't seem to find them online.

If the Command Automotive rotors aren't crazy expensive, I think I will try them.

But I am still willing to listen to suggestions, in fact, that's why I posted.

Erin.

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#355435 - 01/23/04 08:39 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Turning a rotor usually is a temporary fix at best...

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#355436 - 01/23/04 08:39 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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I would recommend OE Ford rotors... but if you want "aftermarket", AC Delco Durastop and AC Delco Durastop Performance rotors are actually very good.

Funny thing is AC Delco Durastop/Performance pads/rotors work really well on Ford vehicles.

But GM vehicles don't always have the best brakes.
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#355437 - 01/23/04 08:46 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Your first mistake was turning the rotors.

The rotors on these cars are a "throw-away" design and when warped generally need to be replaced. I got over 100k on my original fronts before replacing them, so OEM may not be a bad idea. check www.fordpartscheap.com

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#355438 - 01/23/04 09:30 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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^^^I'm with them Erin^^^

Turning rotors once, maybe ok, not twice or thrice. If the FORD dealer, under warranty, turned them two and then three times, I would go back there and talk with the SM. They know better than that. Make absolutely sure you know that IS what happened, however.
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#355439 - 01/23/04 11:10 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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My Reybestos Super Stop Sever Duty rotors have not warped yet, so they were are worth the money to me. I got mine from a local parts store. They do not fade nearly as quickly(i have the small crappy pre 98 brakes)and i have not had any significant pad wear(admittedly i do not drive much while i'm at school).
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#355440 - 01/24/04 01:22 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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I suggest OE, Delco, or Raybestos.

NEVER, and I do mean NEVER turn a rotor if it's "warped". Once it is warped, it will ALWAYS be warped. Throw it OUT! Also, always replace FRONT rotors in pairs.

Slotted, drilled etc. is utterly useless for a daily driver. They will lighten you pocket more up front, and will cause your brakes to wear faster, that's ALL they are good for.
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#355441 - 01/24/04 02:58 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Slotted rotors are almost useless for any application. They were created years ago when the materials used in brake pads gave off gasses as they heated up. The slots allowed the gasses to escape instead of build up between the rotor and pad, hindering braking. Pads now do not give off these gasses at all.

Drilled rotors are great for reducing fade with proper cooling. They help to let the rotor cool quickly. They cannot take high heat tho. In this situation where you are warping your rotors, drilled IS NOT a good idea. Your rotors warp b/c they get too hot. There either is not enough cooling or the rotors you have cannot dissipate enough heat (which would mean you still don't have enough cooling). Drilled rotors will not ony warp on you, they will also crack - and prob sooner. The holes only help when there is proper airflow. Otherwise, the rotor just gets so hot that it cannot dissipate the heat (IE it warps). The holes removed the effective surface area of the disc, and it can no longer dissipate as much as it could as a solid rotor. It will crack then.

The best solution may be to buy a better rotor. My daily driver will warp an OEM rotor in <15K miles. Simply swapping to a better quality Brembo solid blank and a good set of pads (Kevlar) fixes the problem.

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#355442 - 01/24/04 05:15 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Also, always replace FRONT rotors in pairs.





Curious about that...why (technically, not because "you should") in pairs?


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#355443 - 01/24/04 05:20 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Rotors wear. Rotors get "heat treated" as they are cycled, these things affect their coefficient of friction. If one rotor is new (higher Cf) and one is old(er) (lower Cf) you will get a pull when breaking, and on the fronts it is a particularly dangerous situation to have uneven braking side-to-side.
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#355444 - 01/24/04 09:52 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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That makes sense.

On the other hand, I dont see anywhere in my factory manual that states to replace them as a pair.

Also, I've never seen recommendations that when rotors are turned, that they be of the same exact thickness (which, if they werent of the same thickness, would change the coefficient, right?).


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#355445 - 01/24/04 10:22 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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I always do brakes in pairs...
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#355446 - 01/24/04 10:32 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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The coefficient has little to do with thickness. More related to surface roughness, hardness, and grain.

Having one rotor substantially thicker (heavier) than the other is also problematic. Brakes absorb heat (energy), that's their job, and radiate it to the atmosphere. Obviously rotors with different masses will not absorb the same, nor radiate the same. Usually this is not noticeable, but under more severe conditions, the lower mass part will go into fade MUCH sooner.
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#355447 - 01/25/04 01:55 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Command Automotive makes awesome rotors.

I saw an ad in Police Fleet Manager magazine last fall and ordered a set. I cannot warp these bad boys no matter how hard I try.

The guy told me that these will be the last rotors I ever put on that car. (95 CVLX HPP)

www.commandautomotive.com
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#355448 - 01/25/04 03:54 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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The cyrogenic ones or the other ones? How much do they run?
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#355449 - 01/25/04 11:15 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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I got an e-mail quote for a full set (4 rotors) of the "SD-1" model for a 1998 CVPI -- quote including shipping was $390.

Erin.

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#355450 - 01/26/04 11:09 AM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Joe,

Give Gil Short a shout at [email protected]omotive.com -- he wanted to know what department you're from and how you found about them. Thanks!

Erin.

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#355451 - 01/27/04 12:27 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Already done.

Quote:

Hi Gil:

Just wanted to write to say "hello" and to let you know how pleased I am with the rotors I purchased from you last summer for my 1995 Ford Crown Victoria. So pleased with the rotors that I tell my friends at www.crownvic.net to choose them instead of OEM next time they need brake rotors. I received an email from a new customer of yours who took my advice and is trying your rotors....she asked me to email you. (See below.)

Since I have installed them in the front of my Crown Vic I have achieved the smoothest stops and quicker stop time in normal traffic and highway speeds. Bendix Fleet Metlock MDK series pads and your brake rotors make a great combination! I will never run another rotor other than yours again!

I also own a 2000 Ford Crown Victoria LX w/ Handling Package and a recently acquired a very sharp 1997 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor. You can rest assured I'll be contacting you when I need new rotors for those vehicles!

Hope your new year and business is going well.

Looking forward to doing business with you again soon!




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#355452 - 01/27/04 12:28 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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I think I paid around $100 each (shipping included) for mine.....my files are at home. Very close estimate though.
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#355453 - 01/27/04 05:25 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Quote:

I got an e-mail quote for a full set (4 rotors) of the "SD-1" model for a 1998 CVPI -- quote including shipping was $390.




CORRECTION: The quote, including 2nd day shipping was $329.

Erin.

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#355454 - 01/27/04 05:41 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Sounds like a good deal to me! It's almost like buy three, get one free!
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#355455 - 01/27/04 10:03 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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My Reybestos Super Stop Sever Duty rotors have not warped yet, so they were are worth the money to me. I got mine from a local parts store. They do not fade nearly as quickly(i have the small crappy pre 98 brakes)and i have not had any significant pad wear(admittedly i do not drive much while i'm at school).



How much did you pay for them.I was thinking of getting them for my Dad's 95 grand marquis.
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#355456 - 01/30/04 12:02 AM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Here are some pictures of the Bendix MKD748FM and MKD674CFM brake pads and the SD-1 rotors:





























Best wishes,

Erin.

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#355457 - 01/30/04 12:07 AM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Quote:

Quote:

I got an e-mail quote for a full set (4 rotors) of the "SD-1" model for a 1998 CVPI -- quote including shipping was $390.




CORRECTION: The quote, including 2nd day shipping was $329.

Erin.




I made an inquiry to Command Automotive for pricing on a set of rotors for a 99CV and they quoted the same price as Erin paid, but they didn't offer me a discount. The following is their email reply.


Carl,

We usually do not sell to civilians but we do intend to sell to crownvic.net subscribers. The price for the '98 - '02 Crown Vic is $103.12 ea. for the front (107192) and $70.13 ea. for the rear (107111). This price includes shipping. Thanks for your inquiry.

Gil Short

Command Automotive, Inc.
403 Old Stone Bridge Road
Goodlettsville, TN 37072
615.859.2992
615.859.2950 fax
615.351.2834 cell
E-mail: [email protected]


I wonder why Erin rates a 5% discount and I do not?
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#355458 - 01/30/04 12:58 AM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Quote:

I made an inquiry to Command Automotive for pricing on a set of rotors for a 99CV and they quoted the same price as Erin paid, but they didn't offer me a discount. The following is their email reply.

I wonder why Erin rates a 5% discount and I do not?





Probably because they thought I was an LEO when I made the order. When Gil called me to confirm the order, he asked which dept. I was from. I told him I wasn't with any dept. He said he had already charged my credit card and he would "ship the rotors to me anyway." My guess is he thought I was a LEO buying them for a dept., hence the discount.

Erin.

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#355459 - 01/30/04 01:35 AM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Erin,

Thanks for the explanation of your transaction with Gil. Now it makes sense. Thanks.

BTW, where did you buy the Bendix Fleet MetLok
pads?

Carl
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#355460 - 01/30/04 08:21 AM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Erin,

With those parts, you'll have a good repair! I use the same stuff!

Glad Gil sells to CVN members....kinda strange they won't sell to civilians though.

Good luck!
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#355461 - 01/30/04 12:21 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Quote:

Erin,

Thanks for the explanation of your transaction with Gil. Now it makes sense. Thanks.

BTW, where did you buy the Bendix Fleet MetLok
pads?

Carl




I bought them from http://www.partsamerica.com/ -- they are a local part chain. Here in Denver they go buy "Checker's Auto Parts."

Just look up the part numbers that I listed (and are on the end of the box). Those parts are for a 1998, by the way.

Best wishes,

Erin.

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#355462 - 01/30/04 10:15 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Erin,

Let us know what you think of the SD-1 rotors when you get them installed. The front rotors on my 99CV are shot and I need to replace them. I am contemplating the SD-1 rotors, but before I shell out all that cash, I would like to hear a success story. Thanks.

Carl

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#355463 - 02/01/04 06:19 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
95CrownVictoriaP74 Offline

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You want a success story?

What was wrong with mine?

Quote:

Command Automotive makes awesome rotors.

I saw an ad in Police Fleet Manager magazine last fall and ordered a set. I cannot warp these bad boys no matter how hard I try.

The guy told me that these will be the last rotors I ever put on that car. (95 CVLX HPP)

www.commandautomotive.com




...and the 15" 92-97 CVs had more warping issues than the 16" equipped newer cars.
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#355464 - 02/01/04 08:54 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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95CrownVictoriaP74

Quote:

You want a success story?

What was wrong with mine?

Quote:

Command Automotive makes awesome rotors.

I saw an ad in Police Fleet Manager magazine last fall and ordered a set. I cannot warp these bad boys no matter how hard I try.

The guy told me that these will be the last rotors I ever put on that car. (95 CVLX HPP)

www.commandautomotive.com




...and the 15" 92-97 CVs had more warping issues than the 16" equipped newer cars.





There is nothing wrong with you recommendation for the SD-1 rotors. Being a native New Englander, I am just naturally a skeptic. I opt for as much information as I can get.

Thank you for your endorsement.

Carl

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#355465 - 02/02/04 03:00 AM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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liguid ur car is really nice
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#355466 - 02/02/04 08:34 AM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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I gotcha. I was skeptical at first too, as was my mechanic. I think he is going to order a set for his '96 Town Car with pulsating brakes.
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#355467 - 02/02/04 02:48 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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The only time my rotors warp is when I take it to the tire shop Dumbasses don't know how to properly torque a wheel... I run Murray's rotors (its a local parts chain store)
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#355468 - 02/02/04 07:18 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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Well, I have the new rotors and pads installed. They work well -- no more vibrations. Hopefully the vibrating is a thing of the past, for good!

I now have some slightly used brake pads with less than 20K miles on them (they were replaced in Sept, 2002 at a Ford dealer, so they should be genuine Ford parts). If anyone wants them, they are yours for just the cost of shipping!

I have the used rotors too, but I doubt anyone would want them as at least one of the fronts is warped. They are extremely heavy and would cost a sheeload to ship. But, again, they are yours for the cost of shipping.

PM me.

Erin.

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#355469 - 02/02/04 07:21 PM Re: Best aftermarket brake rotors?
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The vibration is because of warped, thin rotors.
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