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#3583945 - 03/23/17 12:04 AM 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017
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You didn't hear this from me.
What's different this time is that Ford will install and external relay setup rather than replacing the entire LCM.
Those who had the previous recall ( 14N01 ) performed are not eligible for this new recall.

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#3584049 - 03/23/17 03:54 AM Re: 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017 [Re: LTC_Dave]
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What about those of us with headlight relay systems installed?
I replaced my flaky LCM myself and added the BH1976 relay harness and my lights work well... better than Ford's stock system.

Frankly, I don't want any change to the system. If I take my car to a dealer for an oil change, are they going to fiddle with my headlight system?
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#3584145 - 03/23/17 08:38 AM Re: 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017 [Re: LTC_Dave]
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We are supposed to perform all recalls when possible.

But they should ask you if you want the recall done, since it adds to your wait time.
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#3584209 - 03/23/17 09:05 AM Re: 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017 [Re: LTC_Dave]
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Stickied - thanks for the info!
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#3584337 - 03/23/17 11:22 AM Re: 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017 [Re: Ponyguy]
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Loc: Lemont,IL
Originally Posted By Ponyguy
What about those of us with headlight relay systems installed?
I replaced my flaky LCM myself and added the BH1976 relay harness and my lights work well... better than Ford's stock system.

Frankly, I don't want any change to the system. If I take my car to a dealer for an oil change, are they going to fiddle with my headlight system?

We will need to see the other pages of the recall.

With most recalls,if that exact part was replaced by the customer and they have a receipt-they would get reimbursed.

With the original LCM program Ford did not trust the aftermarket LCM's and would replace it anyway.

Not sure how they would treat this one with the large amount of time passing. But really worth asking when you get the notice.
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#3586338 - 03/25/17 06:44 PM Re: 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017 [Re: LTC_Dave]
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Reimbursement info-





Here's what the actual recall letter will look like-

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#3586346 - 03/25/17 06:48 PM Re: 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017 [Re: LTC_Dave]
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Tech info- (this helps the tech install the part)









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#3587114 - 03/26/17 06:33 PM Re: 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017 [Re: LTC_Dave]
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So they fixed the original problem for the 06 years?
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#3588370 - 03/27/17 08:07 PM Re: 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017 [Re: LTC_Dave]
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Great information, I bet this new system will throw more lighting power
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#3588562 - 03/28/17 12:16 AM Re: 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017 [Re: charlieD]
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Originally Posted By charlieD
So they fixed the original problem for the 06 years?


No, and they refuse to acknowledge that earlier years had this problem as well.
My first experience with the headlight failure was in my old 2000 almost 10 years ago.
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#3589170 - 03/28/17 04:27 PM Re: 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017 [Re: GoldPanther]
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Originally Posted By GoldPanther
Great information, I bet this new system will throw more lighting power

Probably not, most of the voltage drop in in wiring of harness to & from relay(s), that wiring still remains... Defective relay could cause voltage drop but when it does it's soon toast and you have no lights at all...
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#3589458 - 03/28/17 07:15 PM Re: 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017 [Re: LTC_Dave]
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Hopefully I have no issues. I have the lights on a homemade relay harness, something I do for all my older rides, and they are pretty bright.
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#3589754 - 03/28/17 11:25 PM Re: 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017 [Re: charlieD]
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Originally Posted By charlieD
So they fixed the original problem for the 06 years?


I can't speak specifically of the 06 (more like I've forgotten the year breakdown for the lcm's) but for 2007+ the headlights run off of a mosfet or other high power transistor and not off of a relay (one per headlight). While the same relays are still used (two of them + flasher unit) they are used with the lower power items (parking lights, and interior illumination). Cold solder joints still in use however.

2003/2004.
2005 is unique to 2005.
2006+

Heres a pic of a 2008 one I have torn apart; There is a 2nd board as well. Both double sided and crammed with components, and there are about 40 surface mount transistors on the one side of the board in the photo. Way too much bs for the simple task it has of turning lights on or off.
Along the top under that metal spring clip is the power transistors (6). Two smaller relays the same as the ones used in earlier LCM's, and the larger cube is the flasher module.

Alex.


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lcm 2006-2011.power board.jpg




Edited by GM_Guy (03/28/17 11:40 PM)
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#3589946 - 03/29/17 01:56 AM Re: 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017 [Re: GoldPanther]
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Originally Posted By GoldPanther
Great information, I bet this new system will throw more lighting power

Nope.
Not as long as they continue to feed the headlights with flimsy wiring...
What genius chose to use a 10 amp fuse on an 18 gauge wire to feed the low beam (the most used) headlamp? Or to feed both high beams (and the entire LCM courtesy lamp load) through a 25 amp fuse on a 16 gauge wire?
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#3590722 - 03/29/17 06:06 PM Re: 03-05 Headlight recall 15S39. NEW for April 2017 [Re: LTC_Dave]
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Because it meets spec. Spec doesn't mean its the best solution. But Spec costs less...
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