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#3765554 - 10/19/17 01:36 AM Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI)
av8or1 Offline

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Registered: 10/18/17
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Hi-

Just completed my first "big" project on my 2010 CVPI yesterday. Replaced the front and rear shocks plus the stabilizer bar bushings. And drop links, don't forget those. I've had my CVPI for about a year and a half now and love it! Never worked on one though, so I did some research prior to turning any wrenches. A fair amount of the knowledge/wisdom I gleaned was from cv.net, so I thought I'd offer my experience as a way of giving back and saying 'thanks.' I suspect it'll be old hat to most of you but if there is just one person out there in the future who was sitting where I was and this post helps, well that's the idea.

Note that I did this because the oil change outfit I sometimes use notified me the last three visits that the shocks needed replacement. I ignored the first two, as the ride seemed fine. After the third I took a look and saw that only the front pax shock was leaking and only a little at that. So it wasn't a "must have" situation like the oil change manager was so adamantly advocating, but it was a "could use" scenario. Since I was looking for an excuse to do something significant to my CVPI, I decided it was time.

That's the intro. Now for the particulars. I'll try to be brief. rofl

After reading relevant posts on this forum, when it came to the notion of selecting a brand, I chose to focus on KYBs or Motorcraft. Some additional checking external to cv.net made me steer clear of the Monroe's. In the end I went with the Motorcraft option, partially because none of the local auto parts stores had the KYBs in stock, but the dealership had theirs ready to go that day. I also liked the idea of using a product that was "tuned" for my car, though there are issues with that thought-train, I realize. I put my family in this thing, so I liked it from that perspective as well. Finally, there seems to be some question regarding the KYBs quality in the past few years, so that was a factor too. Anyway, that was the choice I made. $690 in parts, to include the shocks, bushings, isolators (rear) and drop links. The oil change shop was glad to do it for $1200, so even going the dealer route I saved a good chunk of change. double thumbs

All in all I found the work to be fairly straightforward, which I suspect is how these cars were designed: to be worked on when they inevitably get dinged up. I fought my own mistakes as much as anything else really. Forgot to mark the top of the outboard bolt head on the top of the fronts (both sides) so I had to play "which way does it go?" upon re-installation, for example. facepalm

I let my excitement regarding my first "big" CVPI repair get the better of me. Or that's the story I'll go with...

From the experience of others I was prepared with metal cutting blades for the rear shocks just in case. Sure enough, I had to do that on the driver's side. The pax side however came off the first time, no problem. And it was that side that was missing the shock boot. lol

And don't get me started on spring compressors. I prefer to do that on some wall mounted unit, which I don't have. So I called a local shop who told me they'd do it. Showed up only to be told "no we don't do that third party work." yell In the end I just rented a set from Advanced. It went ok but I don't like going that route if I can avoid it. This is my daily driver, so I didn't have a choice really, I needed the car for work on Monday.

So that's that. Thank you to all who have posted their experiences and opinions on this forum. I appreciated the background.

From Austin,
Jerry


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Edited by av8or1 (10/19/17 01:39 AM)
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#3765562 - 10/19/17 01:54 AM Re: Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI) [Re: av8or1]
SocalSam Offline
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Welcome aboard!
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#3765682 - 10/19/17 09:29 AM Re: Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI) [Re: av8or1]
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Nice job and welcome to the forum.
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#3767130 - 10/20/17 11:46 AM Re: Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI) [Re: av8or1]
av8or1 Offline

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SocalSam & PJC-

Thank you for the welcome! I mentioned cv.net in my video, BTW. Assuming that it's ok to post a link, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvtBD31iP6o

Hope that doesn't violate the TOS somehow...

From Austin,
Jerry
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#3768458 - 10/21/17 11:29 PM Re: Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI) [Re: av8or1]
SocalSam Offline
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Nice vid. Always learning from other's experience, slipping the strut out is a nice shortcut. Did you have to get an alignment afterwards?

BTW, your Sport rims appear to be 2002??
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#3772026 - 10/25/17 02:15 PM Re: Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI) [Re: SocalSam]
av8or1 Offline

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Registered: 10/18/17
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Loc: TX
Hi Sam-

No alignment necessary afterwards, though I did take it to have that checked, just in case. I posted a picture of that report in a different thread, inquiring about the eccentric kit business. In the end, I don't think I need that and have decided to forego that option, at least for now.

Thank you for the feedback!

From Austin,
Jerry

EDIT: I forgot to mention in the video that I marked the tie rods to retain the previous setting...forgot to mark the shock bolt ends though! Duh-Oh! facepalm lol

EDIT 2: Those rims are Ford factory rims (so I was told) and they are what would have come on my CVPI had it not been a CVPI but rather a "regular Crown Vic" (so I was told). I don't know how accurate that is, BTW. However when I saw the pictures prior to purchasing them, I liked the look and decided to go with it. Ford centers came with 'em 'n everything. wink


Edited by av8or1 (10/25/17 02:21 PM)
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#3772162 - 10/25/17 04:39 PM Re: Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI) [Re: av8or1]
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@ av8or1: Those rims look to be what are known as "fan blades". If a CVPI was not intended to be a marked patrol car, they would equip it with the SAP...Street Appearance Package...but those were just full hubcaps over steelies.

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#3772226 - 10/25/17 04:56 PM Re: Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI) [Re: av8or1]
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Nothing wrong with those rims except the offset is wrong causing them to stick out. Offset changed with the suspension re-design in 03 and stayed the same until the end. This is an 04 Sport with same style rim.

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#3772266 - 10/25/17 05:23 PM Re: Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI) [Re: av8or1]
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Nice job.
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#3772386 - 10/25/17 06:14 PM Re: Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI) [Re: av8or1]
REVenant Offline
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Registered: 12/25/16
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Nicely done.
Thanks for sharing!

My 2010 will need something similar in the “not too distant future” but im hoping to lower it a bit at the same time.
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#3776042 - 10/30/17 01:59 PM Re: Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI) [Re: RF_Overlord]
av8or1 Offline

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Registered: 10/18/17
Posts: 1496
Loc: TX
Originally Posted By RF_Overlord
@ av8or1: Those rims look to be what are known as "fan blades". If a CVPI was not intended to be a marked patrol car, they would equip it with the SAP...Street Appearance Package...but those were just full hubcaps over steelies.

If I'm wrong, someone will holler at me...


RF_Overlord: Ah yes, the SAP. I am familiar with that, as I (re)searched for about 6-8 months prior to buying. Maybe longer, don't remember. What I was told about these wheels is that they are "factory rims" that would have come on my CVPI if it was just your plain-ol' Grandma's Crown Victoria, ergo not a CVPI at all, be it with the SAP or steelies. Again, I don't know that to be true, just repeating what I was told. Maybe in a sport package or something? Dunno...

SocalSam: Yup, these wheels definitely stick out further than the old steelies (that were on my CVPI when I purchased it) did. So are these sport wheels that I have intended for a pre-2003 Crown Vic with the different (presumably smaller) offset? I haven't done anything offset wise, I like the look and don't mind that they stick out just a little...don't think there is anything that can be done in this case either, short of getting different wheels...

cruz07, REVenant: Thanks!


Edited by av8or1 (10/30/17 02:01 PM)
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#3781946 - 11/05/17 09:44 PM Re: Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI) [Re: av8or1]
SocalSam Offline
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Went to the JY to take practice taking a shock out. Your vid and the other one that you commented in are very helpful.
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#3810786 - 12/04/17 02:11 PM Re: Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI) [Re: SocalSam]
av8or1 Offline

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Originally Posted By SocalSam
Went to the JY to take practice taking a shock out. Your vid and the other one that you commented in are very helpful.


Cool! How did it go?
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#3810818 - 12/04/17 02:23 PM Re: Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI) [Re: av8or1]
SocalSam Offline
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Originally Posted By av8or1
Originally Posted By SocalSam
Went to the JY to take practice taking a shock out. Your vid and the other one that you commented in are very helpful.


Cool! How did it go?


My shock replacement went well. I really had to put my foot on the LCA to clear the bottom of the strut. Installing the strut for the first time was a pain until I figured it out. It will be easy next time. Only cussed a few times which is good.

BTW, I found a set of junkyard KYB with 2015 and 2016 date codes. The fronts were pre-loaded with P71 springs. Despite reports of spotty reliability, I took a flier on them and it paid off. Junk yard is not for everyone and for everything, shocks are more of a gamble. Anyways, very happy with the results.
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#3811930 - 12/05/17 01:36 PM Re: Shock and sway bar bushing replacement (2010 CVPI) [Re: SocalSam]
av8or1 Offline

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Registered: 10/18/17
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Loc: TX
Originally Posted By SocalSam


My shock replacement went well. I really had to put my foot on the LCA to clear the bottom of the strut. Installing the strut for the first time was a pain until I figured it out. It will be easy next time. Only cussed a few times which is good.

BTW, I found a set of junkyard KYB with 2015 and 2016 date codes. The fronts were pre-loaded with P71 springs. Despite reports of spotty reliability, I took a flier on them and it paid off. Junk yard is not for everyone and for everything, shocks are more of a gamble. Anyways, very happy with the results.


Good deal, glad that it worked out for ya. I said a few swear words myself when I realized that I hadn't marked the upper bolt heads. wink

No heat on the junkyard shocks. I likely wouldn't go that way, but there's nothing wrong with it if you can find serviceable ones. I actually enjoy scrounging around in an automotive junk yard, but with the little one runnin' around I don't have time for it anymore. There are a couple of minor things I'd like to put on my CVPI that I wouldn't mind rummaging for; however I'll likely need to call the guy who I purchased it from, as he keeps several parts cars sitting around. Kind of a shortcut...

Anyway, glad that you were successful!
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