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#4030664 - 09/14/19 07:53 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
captahab Offline
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Makes me want to get home and finish my '65 Dodge Coronet500 convertible so much........!

Very nice ride you have there. I High School, a friend had a '63 Mercury Monterey convertible, with the 390. I would park my '65 Dodge next to his car......we were known as the 'Yacht Club".....


Edited by captahab (09/14/19 07:53 PM)
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'08 CVPI: Peelformance White, mostly stock with 176,500 on the clock right now. Mods coming as money, time, and shop space allow. Right now; Metco arms and Watts arms, 3.73s, Addco 650 rear/Addco 2196 front sway bars, front bar lock collars, 2015 Mustang GT 19" wheels, ADTR adjustable coil-over kit, Big Brake front brake upgrade on fresh spindles/hubs, SPC front Camber bolt kit. JModded valve body and Marty 91 Tune.
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#4030768 - 09/15/19 04:14 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: captahab]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Registered: 10/13/03
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THanks! beer1

How much is left to do on the Coronet?

The Mrs. had a '67 Merc Monterey Conv. as her 1st car back in '70. Her father found it for her. Paid only $750 back then!
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#4031106 - 09/18/19 10:16 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Registered: 10/13/03
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Just some interesting factoids about this '69 Marquis:

1969 was a milestone year for the Marquis, which debuted in 1967 as a personal luxury coupe only. But in 1969 a full range of body styles were offered; viz. 2 dr. and 4 dr. sedans and hardtops, the Wagon and the Convertible. This Marquis frame was used from 1969 until 1978 after which it was downsized to the Panther platform. The Mercury was on a 124" wheelbase while the full size Fords (and the 1969 Mercury Marauder and Colony Park Wagons, were on the 121" full size Ford frame.)

This frame/platform used by the full sized Fords and Mercuries from '69-'78 were the biggest selling cars for Ford excepting only the Model T. Over 8 million full-size cars were produced including Canadian ones during those years.

The Marquis displaced the Park Lane as the top of the line full-size Merc. in '69, with the Montclair dropped entirely and the Monterey now being the entry level full size Merc.

The 429 "Thunderjet" engine, standard on the Marquis, with a 2 barrel autolite carb. for the 320hp version, or the 4 barrel carb. and dual exhaust for the 360hp version. The latter version was also used in the '69 Marauder X-100. This engine first debuted the previous year on the Thunderbird. This engine would be the most powerful engine offered by Ford until 1973 when the 460 appeared. But the 429 could still be ordered until 1974 when it was totally discontinued in favor of the 460.

Federal Laws affecting the 1969 Marquis: In 1968 both the side marker lights and seat belts become mandatory. Also in 1968 the first Federal Emissions Standards affected that model year of cars. In 1969 the headrests were also required by law.

After only a two year run, the Marauder and the Convertible are both discontinued.
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#4031222 - 09/19/19 10:53 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
Old_Guy_Stu Offline

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Registered: 04/28/19
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Loc: Cleveland, OH
8 million sounds about right, fullsize Fords used to be everywhere. Now I don't feel so guilty about killing this one in the demo derby.



Rusty $100 car with no title, what else was going to happen to it?
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#4031360 - 09/20/19 12:28 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Registered: 10/13/03
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Still, it sort of sad.. frown But it went out with a bang!
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#4031464 - 09/21/19 05:36 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
Old_Guy_Stu Offline

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Registered: 04/28/19
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Not only that, but I sold the 460 for more than I paid for the car. It was a solid runner, but so rusty even Adam wouldn't touch it.
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1988 CVLX (Destroyer) 1998-2001 driven to death 202K
1988 Squire (Chris Craft) 1996-1998 junkyard rescue driven to death 199K

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#4033048 - 10/03/19 01:47 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
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Registered: 05/10/10
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Loc: Virginia
That's a really nice vert, dark blue is always a winner. double thumbs

Originally Posted By GrumpMarky

The 429 "Thunderjet" engine, standard on the Marquis, with a 2 barrel autolite carb. for the 320hp version, or the 4 barrel carb. and dual exhaust for the 360hp version. The latter version was also used in the '69 Marauder X-100. This engine first debuted the previous year on the Thunderbird. This engine would be the most powerful engine offered by Ford until 1973 when the 460 appeared. But the 429 could still be ordered until 1974 when it was totally discontinued in favor of the 460.



I have to take issue with the 460 statement, the '73 smogger 460 was rated at either 200 or 212Hp(dunno difference, both are 4 bbl with 8.1:1 compression).

Of course the figure is net HP which is approx 30% of gross HP figure of pre 1972(If you want a real world HP figure for your 429, deduct 30% from the '69 rating). Also real HP plummeted in '72 as everything had to run on regular gas, cams & timing were generally retarded, compression cut from 10.5 down to 8.1. Even in pre '72 ratings HP would have been around 260.
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#4033316 - 10/05/19 01:31 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrandMarq9807]
GrumpMarky Offline

I ♥ big cars!
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Registered: 10/13/03
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Loc: Lake County snow belt
I think I should have said the "largest" engine instead of most "powerful." My bad..

Thanks for the kind words though! I like that color too, very much. There were three(!) surprisingly, '69 Marquis convertibles for sale when I was looking at this one. A red fully restored one with a white top and matching red interior, and a cream colored one with a white top and matching white interior (and only 23k miles!). But my favorite was this blue one. I eliminated the cream one because it had some issues, that the blue one doesn't. The Red one was very nice, with loads of options too. But I think they would have been asking the moon for that one, since they reportedly had over 70k in the restoration.

See this old post of mine on July 21st: CVN post
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#4036806 - 11/14/19 02:09 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Registered: 10/13/03
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Loc: Lake County snow belt
Things haven't been going so well lately...

Since the end of September Topaz (my Merc) has been in the shop for service. The main thing was brake service, (The brakes were fine, but on sudden hard braking they pulled and wobbled,) and some fluid change items (radiator, diff., and oil). Turns out AFTER the mechanic replaced the brake lines to the front disc brakes and the master cylinder, I found a 25 yr. old invoice for a complete brake job which included converting over to DOT 5 (Silicone) brake fluid. MY mechanic ASSUMED it was DOT 3, and so mixed the two up. frown I discovered this on Oct. 28th. but I notified him immediately. Still he made light of the situation and kept going back to the front hoses as the culprit (he couldn't get a brake pedal; it kept going down to the floor.) After 2 wks. of this, I had the car towed to another shop (nearby.) This is shot of the car being towed out of the offending shop, today, on this cold snowy morning. When I took the car there, it was hot and sunny! It is now at the new shop, where they seem sure the whole brake system has been totaled, and needs complete replacement now. bawl

I half blame myself, because if I had gone through the mountain of receipts left by the original owner, I would have seen that in 1995, when the car had 35k miles on it (a mere 5k miles ago,) he converted the brake system to DOT 5. I half suspected this when I took the car in (because classic car lovers like the benefits of DOT 5 for cars that sit a lot,) but the mechanic was SO SURE it had DOT 3, and never considered the possibility of a DOT 5 conversion. grrr

So this guy charged me $500 to ruin my brakes.. Unintentionally perhaps, but there it is. I'm logging everything at SuperMotors in my log (link below).

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#4036808 - 11/14/19 02:46 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
a_d_a_m Online   drunk
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Bummer! Hope the new shop is more competent.

(Erik Miller's shop may be worth a visit. 785 Lake Shore, Painesville Township - not very far for you.)
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#4036820 - 11/14/19 04:25 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: a_d_a_m]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Registered: 10/13/03
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Loc: Lake County snow belt
Originally Posted By a_d_a_m
Bummer! Hope the new shop is more competent.

(Erik Miller's shop may be worth a visit. 785 Lake Shore, Painesville Township - not very far for you.)


I took it to Rohaley's Car and Truck repair, just a couple blocks closer to 306 on Tyler. But thanks for the tip.

If I had known from the start, and told him, this probably would never have happened. I believe the original problem WAS just a bad front brake hose. Should-woulda-coulda... rolleyes
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#4036870 - 11/15/19 06:00 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
Old_Guy_Stu Offline

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Registered: 04/28/19
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Well, that sucks. But at least you'll know how old the brakes are now. I'm guessing there's not much difference in price between new Chinese parts and rebuilding the old ones, but I'd go that way if it's an option.
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1988 CVLX (Destroyer) 1998-2001 driven to death 202K
1988 Squire (Chris Craft) 1996-1998 junkyard rescue driven to death 199K

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#4036898 - 11/15/19 02:02 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Registered: 10/13/03
Posts: 5067
Loc: Lake County snow belt
I was able to drive the car home today. It's about 3-4 miles of city traffic, lights etc. and it was pretty scary! hairraise
The pedal would start to go down, but pumping the brakes would bring it back up, and sometimes they even got kind of grabby. The brake light on the dash was on the whole time (never saw that on before.) The second mechanic shop said I have to buy all new brake parts on my own, (he gave me a list which included the rear wheel cylinders, all 4 flexible brake hoses, new calipers (again), both proportioning valves and the master cylinder) although he admitted everything looked new and perfect, and then in the spring come back with all of it for him to do. wtf

But meanwhile I have an appt. to bring the car in on Wed. to the guy Adam suggested. He knows the whole story and wants to take a look at it. He has some old cars in there right now; a '59 Merc and some other oldies. I do not believe the entire system is actually ruined. Both DOT 5 and DOT 3 are brake fluids and not harmful to rubber seals. Even when mixed, it doesn't become harmful to seals. The problem is they are different weights and different compositions, and just can't be mixed without problems to the hydraulics. All 3 major auto manufacturers RECOMMEND flushing the brake system with denatured alchohol when this happens to clean out everything and start over, or when doing a conversion from one to the other. I think the first guy has introduced some new problem, since he replaced the master cylinder and the front calipers. He put the old brake hoses back on the front and took off the new ones I gave him, which are DOT certified and pressure tested.

He was sure they were just no good. But even the old hoses have the same problem.. No pedal. But he also put on a new master cylinder and new calipers in front. So I wonder if the master cylinder is defective or not put on right, or whatever. There are just more variables now. Although he gave me back the original master cylinder and calipers.
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#4036906 - 11/15/19 03:18 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
Old_Guy_Stu Offline

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Registered: 04/28/19
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So the MC is new, and has only had DOT3 in it? Try bench bleeding it. Or put the old one back on, since it's already had 5 in it, if you're going with 5.

Flushing the system with alcohol will clean it out, but then you have to remove the alcohol. Not so hard with the lines, just shoot 'em with air, but the calipers, wheel cylinders and MC would clean out better if they're taken apart. And then you might as well do new seals since they're cheap and 25 years old. Have a look at the proportioning valve, too, if it has one.

Are the front discs original, or a conversion?
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E-code lights w/ relays, LEDs w/ switchbacks, 15x8 Ansen slots w/ 255/60 BFG's, Kenwood stereo, various hacks.
1988 CVLX (Destroyer) 1998-2001 driven to death 202K
1988 Squire (Chris Craft) 1996-1998 junkyard rescue driven to death 199K

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#4036908 - 11/15/19 04:44 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Registered: 10/13/03
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The time line was this: Before I found the DOT 5 conversion receipt, he had already put on the new front hoses, tried a new MC and new calipers (because he was already having no luck with the pedal) So everything was already fubared by then. After I told him about the DOT 5, he said he cleaned out the MC and flushed a ton of DOT 5 through the system. (the front I'm guessing.) But he could never get a pedal, from when he first replaced the front hoses. The disc brakes are original to the car. His final theory was that nothing aftermarket will work, only custom made hoses will. He never thought the mixing of the two DOTs was what was causing this problem--and he said he flushed everything. But the fact is, the seller for the 2nd set of hoses I bought (from Ebay: Brake Hoses Unlimited ) which are DOT certified and pressure tested, and has 100% positive feedback from buyers around the world with old cars just like mine and older. They are guaranteed as well, if there is a defect (which could be the case too.) Since they are off the car right now, maybe I'll try getting another set under warranty. BTW, the car has two proportioning valves, and those are probably factory original since according to the conversion receipt, everything was replaced from the proportioning valves onward.

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