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#4027696 - 08/19/19 05:16 PM Back in the Classic Car hobby!
GrumpMarky Offline

I ♥ big cars!
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Registered: 10/13/03
Posts: 5067
Loc: Lake County snow belt
Just bought a 1969 Mercury Marquis Convertible today. It's in Ft. Lauderdale and I am having it shipped up to Mentor Ohio by next Monday. It is basically a one owner car with 40k documented miles with ALL receipts since purchased by owner in Windsor Ontario. Anxiously await...





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2003 Mercury Grand Marquis LSE
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#4027742 - 08/20/19 12:07 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
Quasar Offline


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Registered: 03/27/05
Posts: 4087
Loc: Milwaukee, WI
Now that's Gorgeous. Might need 7 garages to park it though LOL
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#4027762 - 08/20/19 04:05 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: Quasar]
GrumpMarky Offline

I ♥ big cars!
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Registered: 10/13/03
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Loc: Lake County snow belt
LOL I'll keep it in the home garage, but I'll have to store the LSE in a rental.
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2003 Mercury Grand Marquis LSE
"The last of the un-decontented"
Tires: Bridgestone Turanza LS-H, Mercury OEM Trunk Organizer

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Currently: 2003 Grand Marquis LSE, 1969 Marquis convertible




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#4027814 - 08/20/19 01:21 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
AlleyG Offline
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Registered: 04/28/14
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Loc: Raleigh, NC
Congrats! She is a beauty! 429 in it?

Al
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1997 T-Bird LX - 85k miles
1994 Supra Turbo - 107k miles
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#4027898 - 08/21/19 06:05 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
Old_Guy_Stu Offline

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And it's still got the original AM radio, nice.

Fearless prediction: Now that all the Camaros and Mustangs are priced in the stratosphere, and stupid horsepower is relatively cheap and easy (LS swaps and turbos) we're going to see interest in fullsize cars in the collector/hot rod market. Including Panthers.
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#4027902 - 08/21/19 07:22 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: AlleyG]
GrumpMarky Offline

I ♥ big cars!
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Registered: 10/13/03
Posts: 5067
Loc: Lake County snow belt
Originally Posted By AlleyG
Congrats! She is a beauty! 429 in it?

Al


Thanks! Yes! The 429 Ford "Thunder Jet." Because it has the dual exhaust I am hoping it has the 4 barrel carb, which would make it the same power train as the '69 Marauder. I know the air cleaner indicates the 2 barrel though, so I'll have to see when it arrives.
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2003 Mercury Grand Marquis LSE
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#4027904 - 08/21/19 07:28 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Registered: 10/13/03
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Loc: Lake County snow belt
Originally Posted By Old_Guy_Stu
And it's still got the original AM radio, nice.

Fearless prediction: Now that all the Camaros and Mustangs are priced in the stratosphere, and stupid horsepower is relatively cheap and easy (LS swaps and turbos) we're going to see interest in fullsize cars in the collector/hot rod market. Including Panthers.


Yes, and according to my appraiser that examined the car in person, and got a test drive and checked for operability of all functions, it works fine!

I know there is currently a tiny fan base for these big full size luxury cars, so I hope you are right! Based on members cars in the IMOA (International Mercury Owners Association) there are quite a few '03-'04 Marauders and other late model GMQs. It's not all 50's, Cougars and Cyclones . So there is definitely some interest.


Edited by GrumpMarky (08/21/19 07:37 AM)
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#4028840 - 08/30/19 09:58 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Registered: 10/13/03
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So, finally got the car on Wednesday afternoon! banana

They transport the cars with practically no gas in them, so I drove it straight into my garage to evaluate.

Everything looks exactly like the appraiser said, so that was money well spent.

This morning at 4am, I took it out to fill up the tank and take it for a spin on the quiet streets of Mentor. Everything seems good, and working. I had it on the freeway @ 60mph.

I love the light power steering of 60's cars!

Nothing like the intoxicating smell of a 60's big block filling one's garage.

Tomorrow I am planning on taking it to a car show just a couple of blocks away called the "roar by the shore," even though I haven't had a chance to really clean it up etc. This car definitely has a "roar!"
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2003 Mercury Grand Marquis LSE
"The last of the un-decontented"
Tires: Bridgestone Turanza LS-H, Mercury OEM Trunk Organizer

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Currently: 2003 Grand Marquis LSE, 1969 Marquis convertible




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#4029574 - 09/06/19 07:57 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
a_d_a_m Offline
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Originally Posted By GrumpMarky
So, finally got the car on Wednesday afternoon! banana

They transport the cars with practically no gas in them, so I drove it straight into my garage to evaluate.
So when I drove past your house, I saw the car on day 2 of your ownership! I guess I'm forgiven for not knowing you even had that car... laugh
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#4030054 - 09/10/19 12:05 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
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That a beautiful machine! Love to cruise with the top down in that!
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#4030296 - 09/12/19 09:56 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: Zmaze]
GrumpMarky Offline

I ♥ big cars!
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Registered: 10/13/03
Posts: 5067
Loc: Lake County snow belt
Thanks! Not many people can put the top down on their Marquis! cool
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Tires: Bridgestone Turanza LS-H, Mercury OEM Trunk Organizer

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#4030590 - 09/14/19 03:23 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Registered: 10/13/03
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Took some pictures of my own since I put the top down for the first time today:







This car iS SO photogenic! After the photo shoot, the Mrs. and I went up to Scooter's World Famous Dawg House. It was a fantastic day in the low 70's and clear blue skies.
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2003 Mercury Grand Marquis LSE
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Tires: Bridgestone Turanza LS-H, Mercury OEM Trunk Organizer

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#4030596 - 09/14/19 03:29 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
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Man, you aren't kidding. What a beaut.

I thought Scooter's would close after Labor Day, but apparently not!
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#4030604 - 09/14/19 03:44 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: a_d_a_m]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Registered: 10/13/03
Posts: 5067
Loc: Lake County snow belt
Scooter's is closing next weekend... frown
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2003 Mercury Grand Marquis LSE
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Currently: 2003 Grand Marquis LSE, 1969 Marquis convertible




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#4030608 - 09/14/19 03:45 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
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Originally Posted By GrumpMarky
Scooter's is closing next weekend... frown
That's okay. Mean Mugs is open year round. laugh
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#4030664 - 09/14/19 07:53 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
captahab Offline
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Makes me want to get home and finish my '65 Dodge Coronet500 convertible so much........!

Very nice ride you have there. I High School, a friend had a '63 Mercury Monterey convertible, with the 390. I would park my '65 Dodge next to his car......we were known as the 'Yacht Club".....


Edited by captahab (09/14/19 07:53 PM)
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'08 CVPI: Peelformance White, mostly stock with 176,500 on the clock right now. Mods coming as money, time, and shop space allow. Right now; Metco arms and Watts arms, 3.73s, Addco 650 rear/Addco 2196 front sway bars, front bar lock collars, 2015 Mustang GT 19" wheels, ADTR adjustable coil-over kit, Big Brake front brake upgrade on fresh spindles/hubs, SPC front Camber bolt kit. JModded valve body and Marty 91 Tune.
Awaiting install: Chin spoiler and Marauder deck lid spoiler, 75mm throttle body and SR Performance plenum, long-tube headers and full exhaust,Focus Fogs and relay mods. Previous owner added Tan MGM split bench front seats.

'07 CVPI. Agency repaint to what looks like Windveil Blue, also riding on Mustang 18" wheels. 168,000 and in serious need of suspension work.

'97 Lincoln MKVIII: Lots of mods and still modding.

'88 Thunderbird TurboCoupe: Ugly but lots of mods happening.

'84 Mustang GT Turbo: lifelong (it seems) project.

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#4030768 - 09/15/19 04:14 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: captahab]
GrumpMarky Offline

I ♥ big cars!
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Registered: 10/13/03
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THanks! beer1

How much is left to do on the Coronet?

The Mrs. had a '67 Merc Monterey Conv. as her 1st car back in '70. Her father found it for her. Paid only $750 back then!
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2003 Mercury Grand Marquis LSE
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Tires: Bridgestone Turanza LS-H, Mercury OEM Trunk Organizer

Maintenance Log



Currently: 2003 Grand Marquis LSE, 1969 Marquis convertible




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#4031106 - 09/18/19 10:16 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Registered: 10/13/03
Posts: 5067
Loc: Lake County snow belt
Just some interesting factoids about this '69 Marquis:

1969 was a milestone year for the Marquis, which debuted in 1967 as a personal luxury coupe only. But in 1969 a full range of body styles were offered; viz. 2 dr. and 4 dr. sedans and hardtops, the Wagon and the Convertible. This Marquis frame was used from 1969 until 1978 after which it was downsized to the Panther platform. The Mercury was on a 124" wheelbase while the full size Fords (and the 1969 Mercury Marauder and Colony Park Wagons, were on the 121" full size Ford frame.)

This frame/platform used by the full sized Fords and Mercuries from '69-'78 were the biggest selling cars for Ford excepting only the Model T. Over 8 million full-size cars were produced including Canadian ones during those years.

The Marquis displaced the Park Lane as the top of the line full-size Merc. in '69, with the Montclair dropped entirely and the Monterey now being the entry level full size Merc.

The 429 "Thunderjet" engine, standard on the Marquis, with a 2 barrel autolite carb. for the 320hp version, or the 4 barrel carb. and dual exhaust for the 360hp version. The latter version was also used in the '69 Marauder X-100. This engine first debuted the previous year on the Thunderbird. This engine would be the most powerful engine offered by Ford until 1973 when the 460 appeared. But the 429 could still be ordered until 1974 when it was totally discontinued in favor of the 460.

Federal Laws affecting the 1969 Marquis: In 1968 both the side marker lights and seat belts become mandatory. Also in 1968 the first Federal Emissions Standards affected that model year of cars. In 1969 the headrests were also required by law.

After only a two year run, the Marauder and the Convertible are both discontinued.
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2003 Mercury Grand Marquis LSE
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Tires: Bridgestone Turanza LS-H, Mercury OEM Trunk Organizer

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#4031222 - 09/19/19 10:53 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
Old_Guy_Stu Offline

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8 million sounds about right, fullsize Fords used to be everywhere. Now I don't feel so guilty about killing this one in the demo derby.



Rusty $100 car with no title, what else was going to happen to it?
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1988 CVLX Formal Roof (Love Boat) POTM July 2019 & Aug 2020, 53K
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1988 CVLX (Destroyer) 1998-2001 driven to death 202K
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#4031360 - 09/20/19 12:28 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Still, it sort of sad.. frown But it went out with a bang!
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2003 Mercury Grand Marquis LSE
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Tires: Bridgestone Turanza LS-H, Mercury OEM Trunk Organizer

Maintenance Log



Currently: 2003 Grand Marquis LSE, 1969 Marquis convertible




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#4031464 - 09/21/19 05:36 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
Old_Guy_Stu Offline

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Not only that, but I sold the 460 for more than I paid for the car. It was a solid runner, but so rusty even Adam wouldn't touch it.
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1988 CVLX Formal Roof (Love Boat) POTM July 2019 & Aug 2020, 53K
E-code lights w/ relays, LEDs w/ switchbacks, 15x8 Ansen slots w/ 255/60 BFG's, Kenwood stereo, various hacks.
1988 CVLX (Destroyer) 1998-2001 driven to death 202K
1988 Squire (Chris Craft) 1996-1998 junkyard rescue driven to death 199K

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#4033048 - 10/03/19 01:47 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
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That's a really nice vert, dark blue is always a winner. double thumbs

Originally Posted By GrumpMarky

The 429 "Thunderjet" engine, standard on the Marquis, with a 2 barrel autolite carb. for the 320hp version, or the 4 barrel carb. and dual exhaust for the 360hp version. The latter version was also used in the '69 Marauder X-100. This engine first debuted the previous year on the Thunderbird. This engine would be the most powerful engine offered by Ford until 1973 when the 460 appeared. But the 429 could still be ordered until 1974 when it was totally discontinued in favor of the 460.



I have to take issue with the 460 statement, the '73 smogger 460 was rated at either 200 or 212Hp(dunno difference, both are 4 bbl with 8.1:1 compression).

Of course the figure is net HP which is approx 30% of gross HP figure of pre 1972(If you want a real world HP figure for your 429, deduct 30% from the '69 rating). Also real HP plummeted in '72 as everything had to run on regular gas, cams & timing were generally retarded, compression cut from 10.5 down to 8.1. Even in pre '72 ratings HP would have been around 260.
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#4033316 - 10/05/19 01:31 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrandMarq9807]
GrumpMarky Offline

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I think I should have said the "largest" engine instead of most "powerful." My bad..

Thanks for the kind words though! I like that color too, very much. There were three(!) surprisingly, '69 Marquis convertibles for sale when I was looking at this one. A red fully restored one with a white top and matching red interior, and a cream colored one with a white top and matching white interior (and only 23k miles!). But my favorite was this blue one. I eliminated the cream one because it had some issues, that the blue one doesn't. The Red one was very nice, with loads of options too. But I think they would have been asking the moon for that one, since they reportedly had over 70k in the restoration.

See this old post of mine on July 21st: CVN post
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2003 Mercury Grand Marquis LSE
"The last of the un-decontented"
Tires: Bridgestone Turanza LS-H, Mercury OEM Trunk Organizer

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#4036806 - 11/14/19 02:09 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Registered: 10/13/03
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Loc: Lake County snow belt
Things haven't been going so well lately...

Since the end of September Topaz (my Merc) has been in the shop for service. The main thing was brake service, (The brakes were fine, but on sudden hard braking they pulled and wobbled,) and some fluid change items (radiator, diff., and oil). Turns out AFTER the mechanic replaced the brake lines to the front disc brakes and the master cylinder, I found a 25 yr. old invoice for a complete brake job which included converting over to DOT 5 (Silicone) brake fluid. MY mechanic ASSUMED it was DOT 3, and so mixed the two up. frown I discovered this on Oct. 28th. but I notified him immediately. Still he made light of the situation and kept going back to the front hoses as the culprit (he couldn't get a brake pedal; it kept going down to the floor.) After 2 wks. of this, I had the car towed to another shop (nearby.) This is shot of the car being towed out of the offending shop, today, on this cold snowy morning. When I took the car there, it was hot and sunny! It is now at the new shop, where they seem sure the whole brake system has been totaled, and needs complete replacement now. bawl

I half blame myself, because if I had gone through the mountain of receipts left by the original owner, I would have seen that in 1995, when the car had 35k miles on it (a mere 5k miles ago,) he converted the brake system to DOT 5. I half suspected this when I took the car in (because classic car lovers like the benefits of DOT 5 for cars that sit a lot,) but the mechanic was SO SURE it had DOT 3, and never considered the possibility of a DOT 5 conversion. grrr

So this guy charged me $500 to ruin my brakes.. Unintentionally perhaps, but there it is. I'm logging everything at SuperMotors in my log (link below).

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2003 Mercury Grand Marquis LSE
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Tires: Bridgestone Turanza LS-H, Mercury OEM Trunk Organizer

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Currently: 2003 Grand Marquis LSE, 1969 Marquis convertible




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#4036808 - 11/14/19 02:46 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
a_d_a_m Offline
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Bummer! Hope the new shop is more competent.

(Erik Miller's shop may be worth a visit. 785 Lake Shore, Painesville Township - not very far for you.)
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#4036820 - 11/14/19 04:25 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: a_d_a_m]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Originally Posted By a_d_a_m
Bummer! Hope the new shop is more competent.

(Erik Miller's shop may be worth a visit. 785 Lake Shore, Painesville Township - not very far for you.)


I took it to Rohaley's Car and Truck repair, just a couple blocks closer to 306 on Tyler. But thanks for the tip.

If I had known from the start, and told him, this probably would never have happened. I believe the original problem WAS just a bad front brake hose. Should-woulda-coulda... rolleyes
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2003 Mercury Grand Marquis LSE
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Tires: Bridgestone Turanza LS-H, Mercury OEM Trunk Organizer

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#4036870 - 11/15/19 06:00 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
Old_Guy_Stu Offline

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Well, that sucks. But at least you'll know how old the brakes are now. I'm guessing there's not much difference in price between new Chinese parts and rebuilding the old ones, but I'd go that way if it's an option.
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1988 CVLX Formal Roof (Love Boat) POTM July 2019 & Aug 2020, 53K
E-code lights w/ relays, LEDs w/ switchbacks, 15x8 Ansen slots w/ 255/60 BFG's, Kenwood stereo, various hacks.
1988 CVLX (Destroyer) 1998-2001 driven to death 202K
1988 Squire (Chris Craft) 1996-1998 junkyard rescue driven to death 199K

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#4036898 - 11/15/19 02:02 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
GrumpMarky Offline

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I was able to drive the car home today. It's about 3-4 miles of city traffic, lights etc. and it was pretty scary! hairraise
The pedal would start to go down, but pumping the brakes would bring it back up, and sometimes they even got kind of grabby. The brake light on the dash was on the whole time (never saw that on before.) The second mechanic shop said I have to buy all new brake parts on my own, (he gave me a list which included the rear wheel cylinders, all 4 flexible brake hoses, new calipers (again), both proportioning valves and the master cylinder) although he admitted everything looked new and perfect, and then in the spring come back with all of it for him to do. wtf

But meanwhile I have an appt. to bring the car in on Wed. to the guy Adam suggested. He knows the whole story and wants to take a look at it. He has some old cars in there right now; a '59 Merc and some other oldies. I do not believe the entire system is actually ruined. Both DOT 5 and DOT 3 are brake fluids and not harmful to rubber seals. Even when mixed, it doesn't become harmful to seals. The problem is they are different weights and different compositions, and just can't be mixed without problems to the hydraulics. All 3 major auto manufacturers RECOMMEND flushing the brake system with denatured alchohol when this happens to clean out everything and start over, or when doing a conversion from one to the other. I think the first guy has introduced some new problem, since he replaced the master cylinder and the front calipers. He put the old brake hoses back on the front and took off the new ones I gave him, which are DOT certified and pressure tested.

He was sure they were just no good. But even the old hoses have the same problem.. No pedal. But he also put on a new master cylinder and new calipers in front. So I wonder if the master cylinder is defective or not put on right, or whatever. There are just more variables now. Although he gave me back the original master cylinder and calipers.
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2003 Mercury Grand Marquis LSE
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#4036906 - 11/15/19 03:18 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
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So the MC is new, and has only had DOT3 in it? Try bench bleeding it. Or put the old one back on, since it's already had 5 in it, if you're going with 5.

Flushing the system with alcohol will clean it out, but then you have to remove the alcohol. Not so hard with the lines, just shoot 'em with air, but the calipers, wheel cylinders and MC would clean out better if they're taken apart. And then you might as well do new seals since they're cheap and 25 years old. Have a look at the proportioning valve, too, if it has one.

Are the front discs original, or a conversion?
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#4036908 - 11/15/19 04:44 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
GrumpMarky Offline

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The time line was this: Before I found the DOT 5 conversion receipt, he had already put on the new front hoses, tried a new MC and new calipers (because he was already having no luck with the pedal) So everything was already fubared by then. After I told him about the DOT 5, he said he cleaned out the MC and flushed a ton of DOT 5 through the system. (the front I'm guessing.) But he could never get a pedal, from when he first replaced the front hoses. The disc brakes are original to the car. His final theory was that nothing aftermarket will work, only custom made hoses will. He never thought the mixing of the two DOTs was what was causing this problem--and he said he flushed everything. But the fact is, the seller for the 2nd set of hoses I bought (from Ebay: Brake Hoses Unlimited ) which are DOT certified and pressure tested, and has 100% positive feedback from buyers around the world with old cars just like mine and older. They are guaranteed as well, if there is a defect (which could be the case too.) Since they are off the car right now, maybe I'll try getting another set under warranty. BTW, the car has two proportioning valves, and those are probably factory original since according to the conversion receipt, everything was replaced from the proportioning valves onward.

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#4036974 - 11/16/19 11:12 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
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Are we sure the proportioning valves are working as they ought to be? I know the GM style valve will cause all sorts of drama if it's gacked up.

I hope Erik does a good job for you; I've been satisfied with everything he's done. I am pretty selective with who I'll recommend.
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#4036978 - 11/16/19 11:37 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: a_d_a_m]
GrumpMarky Offline

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I'm trying to get my hands on some new ones. I know the ones that are on there now are probably factory original because when the brakes were converted to DOT 5 in '95 the invoice said from the proportioning valves onward everything was new.
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#4038042 - 11/27/19 06:48 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
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There is no way brake hoses will cause no pedal at all. They'd have to have giant holes, cuts or expand like balloons. A plugged brake hose will cause loss of braking power but will not reduce pedal. Illuminated brake light means either front or rear hydraulic system has a pressure loss(generally not both).

In '92 I totally rebuilt brake system on my Cobra Jet(well almost), used Dot 5 fluid. This included a new proportioning valve as orig was rusty inside, with broken spring. Only problem has been a rear wheel cylinder leak, that was probably 15 years ago. A couple months ago I pumped out the M/C and refilled with fresh fluid, plan was for a total flush but other things have gotten it the way.

Oh yeah the almost total rebuild? It still has the original rear brake hose(at least I haven't replaced it in last 47 years), that was also to be replaced with flush.

When I bought Fairlane in June it still had the original M/C(yep was leaking), other components, cylinders, hoses & hardware had been replaced.
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#4038508 - 12/02/19 11:51 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrandMarq9807]
GrumpMarky Offline

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THanks for the info. I do (did) have enough braking left to drive it home from one mechanic and over to another (8-10 miles.) There was some pedal, but the brakes would have to be pumped to get complete stopping. THe mechanic that has the car now is basically starting over and putting in DOT 3. He's putting in new lines, calipers, wheel cyl., hoses and proportioning valves. So a complete new system. I hope you have your MC identified as having DOT 5. That would have saved me a whole lot of grief.
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#4038534 - 12/02/19 03:02 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
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Sounds like overkill. No reason to replace the lines if they're good, just blow 'em out with air. That's a lot of work for no real benefit.
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#4038702 - 12/04/19 12:51 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Not lines really, just the hoses.
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#4041034 - 12/27/19 03:01 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Brakes are finally fixed! Everything was replaced and the metal lines flushed and blown out. DOT 3 restored to system. The Proportioning valve and pressure differential block presents the most trouble, as they are nowhere available. As luck would have it, I was able to find the proportioning valve (NOS) on ebay (the small zig-zag block), and Erik had a 1969 Mercury Marauder X-100 sitting in the back lot, which had a good usable pressure differential valve (or distribution block), which got transferred to my car.

This is all voodoo crazy2

Here is how it looks in the service manual:



Here is how the parts look that came out of my car, mounted with a c-clamp oriented like the service manual illustration:



Here is another angle:
The plastic connector is where the dash "brake" light connects.



Here is one for sale that LOOKS the same which is for a 1969 Mercury Cougar:



The tubular thing is the Cougar's proportioning valve. Quite a bit different from the Marquis' little small block one. But if you look at the service manual diagram, it is obvious that the proportioning valve connection on the Cougar is completely different from the Marquis one. I am going to try and talk to someone at National Parts Depot and see if they think theirs can be hooked up like mine is supposed to do.

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#4041036 - 12/27/19 03:12 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
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That looks like mechanical voodoo. Glad it’s sorted!
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#4041466 - 12/30/19 09:38 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
GrandMarq9807 Offline
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Originally Posted By GrumpMarky

Here is one for sale that LOOKS the same which is for a 1969 Mercury Cougar:



The tubular thing is the Cougar's proportioning valve. Quite a bit different from the Marquis' little small block one. But if you look at the service manual diagram, it is obvious that the proportioning valve connection on the Cougar is completely different from the Marquis one. I am going to try and talk to someone at National Parts Depot and see if they think theirs can be hooked up like mine is supposed to do.



That's what my Cobra Jet originally had. When I repl valve in early '90s the Ford replacement was rectangular and required different hard lines that were supplied in kit.
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----------My Toys---------(links are up)
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1972 Comet GT Restomod 306, C4
1988 Turbo Coupe 331 AOD & 3.73 .. Pressurized ½ Motor is History

*****************NEW TOY!!!*********************
1969 Base Fairlane 302, C4, 45K mi(really!)

Now with P/S & PDB
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#4041548 - 12/31/19 09:22 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrandMarq9807]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Originally Posted By GrandMarq9807
Originally Posted By GrumpMarky

Here is one for sale that LOOKS the same which is for a 1969 Mercury Cougar:



The tubular thing is the Cougar's proportioning valve. Quite a bit different from the Marquis' little small block one. But if you look at the service manual diagram, it is obvious that the proportioning valve connection on the Cougar is completely different from the Marquis one. I am going to try and talk to someone at National Parts Depot and see if they think theirs can be hooked up like mine is supposed to do.



That's what my Cobra Jet originally had. When I repl valve in early '90s the Ford replacement was rectangular and required different hard lines that were supplied in kit.


Where did you get the Ford replacement? Do they still sell? Do you mean the proportioning valve was rectangular (like the one I have -- not like the cylindrical one for the Cougar?)
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#4042080 - 01/03/20 08:34 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
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Originally Posted By GrumpMarky

Where did you get the Ford replacement? Do they still sell? Do you mean the proportioning valve was rectangular (like the one I have -- not like the cylindrical one for the Cougar?)


Ford dealer 1992, replacement is rectangular. Replaces round valve originally used on Torino, Cougar etc. Part number for this valve is C7OZ-2B091-B.

Assuming valve for a LTD would be same as Marquis, part number is C7AZ-2B091-A.
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1996 F-150 XLT 196K mi Beater, Stock

----------My Toys---------(links are up)
1969 Fairlane Cobra 428CJ 4-Speed
1972 Comet GT Restomod 306, C4
1988 Turbo Coupe 331 AOD & 3.73 .. Pressurized ½ Motor is History

*****************NEW TOY!!!*********************
1969 Base Fairlane 302, C4, 45K mi(really!)

Now with P/S & PDB
Gonna wake it up with a Blue Print headed 347




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#4042132 - 01/04/20 07:05 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
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I'd like to see what's inside of those. Looks like you can get 'em apart by removing the plug at the end. Probably just a couple of o-rings in there that need refreshing. Probably a spring and maybe a check ball, too?
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#4042136 - 01/04/20 08:06 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Originally Posted By Old_Guy_Stu
I'd like to see what's inside of those. Looks like you can get 'em apart by removing the plug at the end. Probably just a couple of o-rings in there that need refreshing. Probably a spring and maybe a check ball, too?


Here's a diagram:



But this is for the Cougar one. The connections for the proportioning valves are not the same as mine. Below is showing when the brake warning light will come on:



This entire setup (meaning this whole distribution block-pressure differential valve unit) is just for the sake of the brake warning light. I don't think there is any mechanical brake need for this block otherwise. The shot below shows the valve (removed with its O-rings superimposed on its block where the brake warning light switch is located, and how when it moves from side to side due to one side of the brake lines losing pressure, it activates that light switch:



Now the voodoo deepens even more when you see the inside of the two pronged switch connector:



Another view showing the pigtail that is part of the car's wiring harness:




I don't know if you can see it, but inside the two pronged switch connector the two male pins have a wire shorting the two pins together! That's right, the two pins are actually shorted together down inside at the bottom of the connector. You can see another view of the switch connector in one of my earlier posts above.

Here's what is happening:


  • The brake warning light needs a ground to illuminate.
  • With equal pressure on both sides of the braking system, the valve provides no ground
  • The ignition switch in the car, ONLY provides a ground to its wire when turned to "Start" not just "on"
  • If ignition is turned to "Start" its wire provides a ground (which is jumpered inside the connector) which then can turn ON the warning light, ONLY while in Start to prove the light works and is not burned out.
  • Also, while driving, if the pressure becomes different, moving the valve and engaging the switch, again, a ground is sent to the brake warning light.


Now my NEW problem is that no matter HOW HARD I TRY, I can't get the car's plug connected into the block switch. I even got an extra pigtail from the X-100 that provided the block itself, to see if maybe that one would work, but no! Apparently the rubber that is used inside and outside on the female connector which is part of the car's wiring, is SO HARD with age and heat, it won't stretch to allow them to connect. (That is my theory right now.) So currently I have no working brake warning light, until I can get this plugged back in. I'm trying to think of ways of making the rubber supple enough, again, to plug it in. I'm thinking maybe heating the connector might help?



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#4042138 - 01/04/20 09:13 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
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Ugh, square rings. Those are harder to find.

For the rubber, you have a couple of options. Drill down to the female pins and/or sand off the outside of the connector to make it fit. OR, hit it with some Rubber Renew (which may or may not work), OR cut out the rubber altogether, connect the pins and call it good. Or just don't worry about it. It's only a warning light, and you'll know if your brakes aren't working as soon as you step on the pedal.
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#4042146 - 01/04/20 10:32 AM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Originally Posted By Old_Guy_Stu
Ugh, square rings. Those are harder to find.

For the rubber, you have a couple of options. Drill down to the female pins and/or sand off the outside of the connector to make it fit. OR, hit it with some Rubber Renew (which may or may not work), OR cut out the rubber altogether, connect the pins and call it good. Or just don't worry about it. It's only a warning light, and you'll know if your brakes aren't working as soon as you step on the pedal.


lol! But honestly, having the brake warning light is a safety issue, so I really don't think it's trivial. But about your suggestions; I have been thinking along the same lines as you (modifying the connector) But the problem with that is, I would have to remove it from the pressure differential block, which theoretically should be doable. But I worry about leaking brake fluid or adding air into the system, if those old 0-rings are not really sealing properly (in which case the block might be sending false positives) And I don't want to modify the female plug with all the rubber either. So maybe I'll look into that "Rubber Renew."
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#4042198 - 01/04/20 10:54 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrumpMarky]
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The pressure switch can be removed at any time, doesn't seal anything. If the O rings were leaking, fluid would be flowing from switch...

There are seal repair kits for the pressure differential valve (Torino, Mustang etc) but I have no idea if same kit fits full size.
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1998 Grand Marquis LS. 96K mi. .. Stock
2007 Grand Marquis GS. 90K mi. .. Stock
1996 F-150 XLT 196K mi Beater, Stock

----------My Toys---------(links are up)
1969 Fairlane Cobra 428CJ 4-Speed
1972 Comet GT Restomod 306, C4
1988 Turbo Coupe 331 AOD & 3.73 .. Pressurized ½ Motor is History

*****************NEW TOY!!!*********************
1969 Base Fairlane 302, C4, 45K mi(really!)

Now with P/S & PDB
Gonna wake it up with a Blue Print headed 347




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#4042252 - 01/05/20 12:37 PM Re: Back in the Classic Car hobby! [Re: GrandMarq9807]
GrumpMarky Offline

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Originally Posted By GrandMarq9807
The pressure switch can be removed at any time, doesn't seal anything. If the O rings were leaking, fluid would be flowing from switch...

There are seal repair kits for the pressure differential valve (Torino, Mustang etc) but I have no idea if same kit fits full size.


OK, that's encouraging. smile I will first try to soften the rubber using 1. the interweb method: soaking in silicone and sealing in airtight bag for a week. 2. modifying the switch connector. After looking into that "rubber renue" it appears to be geared toward rubber plattens used on printers to make them soft and "tacky" again. I want just the opposite, soft and slippery. As for the kits: yes, I have seen them. I have the old pressure diff. valve out of my car, and think it probably can be rebuilt. The switch is available no problem, but the pigtail connector is nowhere to be found. I doubt if I am the only one having this problem. Or else no one else goes to the trouble of redoing everything in their brake system like I have done. But to be fair, the pr. diff. valve from the X-100 was still fine. So maybe the switch to DOT 5 in my car back in '95 was a bad idea. Erik said he has seen old DOT 3 brake systems ruined by DOT 5 in the past. I guess it just depends.

Just took the Marquis out for a drive today, since the roads are clean and dry although it is almost freezing. I wanted to see how the car acted with the new fuel filter. Much improved! It was badly hesitating before, now it is virtually gone! banana The brakes are good and confidence inspiring. Makes me wish Spring would hurry up and arrive. joy
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