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#4039612 - 12/12/19 10:18 PM '03 SAP vs. '04 LX
a_d_a_m Offline
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Loc: Cleveland, OH


Not sure that this fits in this subforum. I guess it sort of does. Just trying to think about the two beater Vics and what to do with them. Good stuff in green, bad stuff in red.


'04 CVLX
145666 miles (seriously)
new (old but fine) dual exhaust including manifolds (summer '19)
new alternator (fall '18)
new brakes (fall '18)
new steering shaft (fall '18)
new BMSC (fall '18)
moonroof
Marauder subwoofer
steering wheel HVAC/stereo controls
only paid $200 for it so it's sort of hilarious to keep around
never saw the idle time a patrol car gets
has proven itself as a good runner
it already lasted the one winter I was hoping it would so I'm playing with house money

super rusty underneath, like, real bad
body has more rust than the '03
oil dipstick won't go down into the pan because tube is rusted = I haven't checked oil since March
even though it has new brake parts, the brakes sorta suck
looseness in the steering wheel (even with new shaft)
cracked RF coil spring that hasn't let go since I bought it
transmission has always been sorta lazy in the shifting department
2.73 open diff
everyone knows I paid $200 for it so even though I've done a fair bit of work to it and put some parts in it, nobody will pay more than $200 for it
hole in the trunk 12/13/2019


'03 SAP P71
66666 miles (seriously)
less rusty underneath than the '04
body has less rust in most places than the '04
timing tensioners/guides replaced at some point during its police service
drives very tight and smooth
shifts awesome
new battery
new alternator
3.27LSD

I have no history with this car so it is untested/untrusted
threw a cylinder #1 misfire on the way home (but it hasn't returned since swapping coil/plugs between 1&2)
probably a ton of idle hours
cruise doesn't work
overhead console is sorta janky looking and will require re-working
roof is rather rusty and may not really clean up that well
rubber floor is gross and I would insist on installing carpet
steering shaft looks like it lived on the bottom of the ocean (but steers fine)
with an $800 purchase price, is there any money to be made flipping it?




I really like being down to three cars, but find myself always up to four. Frustrating as hell. So I'm thinking I could just park/wrap one of these beaters until the other sh*ts the bed entirely (meaning yes, I would have a reserve beater). Or, I could hack one up and drop an F100 on top. Though, finished Vic/F100 combos usually go for under $10k and I'd rather just spring for one already done. Or, I could sell one of these and either make profit on the SAP or break even on the Vic (or, whatever 'even' is when you factor in the work I've done to it).

My general lean at this time is to front-line the LX this winter and slowly tinker with the SAP. Depending on how it survives, I could park the LX from March-December and front-line the SAP, then try and get another winter out of the LX. Frig. Idunno. Sign me up for this show:


Edited by a_d_a_m (12/14/19 10:25 AM)
Edit Reason: edited to reflect trunk hole on '04
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Originally Posted By JeffBoudah
As an affluent liberal, I choose $600 panthers because I have impeccable taste. Sure, I could have 4 teslas in my signature... But then I couldn't be a derp state optative infuriating a 20 year old internet forum to spread my lies amongst the 36 active members.
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formerly: '02 MGM, '04 MGM, '04 MGM v2.0, '04 MM, '07 P71 (POTM Feb. '18), '04 CVLX (POTM Jun. '19 and the best car ever), '03 SAP P71

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#4039620 - 12/12/19 10:32 PM Re: '03 SAP vs. '04 LX [Re: a_d_a_m]
bluejay_32 Offline
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How many cars have you bought and sold since I've been on CVN?

You may find yourself on this show:



We're your friends and we love you, but we need to have a talk.

You have a problem.


rofl
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Originally Posted By IPreferDIY
Sounds like time-wasting gossip to me.

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#4039622 - 12/12/19 10:33 PM Re: '03 SAP vs. '04 LX [Re: a_d_a_m]
hot__box Offline

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Loc: Bayou State
Originally Posted By a_d_a_m

145666 miles (seriously)

wtf

Originally Posted By a_d_a_m

66666 miles (seriously)


evil

I think the answer's clear.



No seriously, so what's the question here? Which one to park up for a little while..? Which one to sell? What's it worth?

at any rate, usually the evil you know is better than the evil you don't know. Except when the evil you know is super rusty and has way more miles than the evil you don't know.

lotsa help, I know. you can thank me later.



imo put the 03 up until the LX falls apart like the Bluesmobile.
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#4039624 - 12/12/19 10:34 PM Re: '03 SAP vs. '04 LX [Re: bluejay_32]
a_d_a_m Offline
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Originally Posted By bluejay_32
How many cars have you bought and sold since I've been on CVN?



Originally Posted By hot__box
No seriously, so what's the question here? Which one to park up for a little while..? Which one to sell? What's it worth?
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION IS, THAT'S THE PROBLEM
HELP

Originally Posted By hot__box
at any rate, usually the evil you know is better than the evil you don't know. Except when the evil you know is super rusty and has way more miles than the evil you don't know.
"And if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with" methodology.

Originally Posted By hot__box
imo put the 03 up until the LX falls apart like the Bluesmobile.
Oh god. I definitely would have an Elwood Sad React if that happened.
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Originally Posted By JeffBoudah
As an affluent liberal, I choose $600 panthers because I have impeccable taste. Sure, I could have 4 teslas in my signature... But then I couldn't be a derp state optative infuriating a 20 year old internet forum to spread my lies amongst the 36 active members.
'91 LTD Country Squire (POTM Mar. '19) | '03 Marauder (POTM Nov. '10, Jul. '20) | 2010 P7B
formerly: '02 MGM, '04 MGM, '04 MGM v2.0, '04 MM, '07 P71 (POTM Feb. '18), '04 CVLX (POTM Jun. '19 and the best car ever), '03 SAP P71

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#4039628 - 12/12/19 10:52 PM Re: '03 SAP vs. '04 LX [Re: a_d_a_m]
bluejay_32 Offline
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Loc: wny
Originally Posted By a_d_a_m
Originally Posted By hot__box
imo put the 03 up until the LX falls apart like the Bluesmobile.
Oh god. I definitely would have an Elwood Sad React if that happened.

Yeah, but then you'd have to run into Daley Plaza, so you wouldn't have time to dwell on it. laugh
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Originally Posted By IPreferDIY
Sounds like time-wasting gossip to me.

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#4039632 - 12/13/19 12:31 AM Re: '03 SAP vs. '04 LX [Re: bluejay_32]
hot__box Offline

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Loc: Bayou State
Originally Posted By a_d_a_m
Originally Posted By hot__box
No seriously, so what's the question here? Which one to park up for a little while..? Which one to sell? What's it worth?
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION IS, THAT'S THE PROBLEM
HELP
.


Clearly the answer is to sell nothing and buy another one.

Originally Posted By bluejay_32
Originally Posted By a_d_a_m
Originally Posted By hot__box
imo put the 03 up until the LX falls apart like the Bluesmobile.
Oh god. I definitely would have an Elwood Sad React if that happened.

Yeah, but then you'd have to run into Daley Plaza, so you wouldn't have time to dwell on it. laugh


No need to dwell, it'd be the only honorable way for it to go out !
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#4039638 - 12/13/19 06:54 AM Re: '03 SAP vs. '04 LX [Re: a_d_a_m]
Old_Guy_Stu Offline

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Get another winter out of the LX, then swap all the good stuff over to the SAP. Keep the LX as a parts car or sell it off cheap. Sounds like it's getting to the "I'm a money pit!" point in its life, so let someone else deal with it. If you can get $810 for it, you're back to playing with house money.
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#4039642 - 12/13/19 08:48 AM Re: '03 SAP vs. '04 LX [Re: a_d_a_m]
a_d_a_m Offline
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The LX hasn't asked me for any money in a few months, and I"m under $810 into it.

The SAP has, and I'm over $810 into it now.

Hmm.
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Originally Posted By JeffBoudah
As an affluent liberal, I choose $600 panthers because I have impeccable taste. Sure, I could have 4 teslas in my signature... But then I couldn't be a derp state optative infuriating a 20 year old internet forum to spread my lies amongst the 36 active members.
'91 LTD Country Squire (POTM Mar. '19) | '03 Marauder (POTM Nov. '10, Jul. '20) | 2010 P7B
formerly: '02 MGM, '04 MGM, '04 MGM v2.0, '04 MM, '07 P71 (POTM Feb. '18), '04 CVLX (POTM Jun. '19 and the best car ever), '03 SAP P71

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#4039648 - 12/13/19 09:43 AM Re: '03 SAP vs. '04 LX [Re: a_d_a_m]
Old_Guy_Stu Offline

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Registered: 04/28/19
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Loc: Cleveland, OH
Sucky brakes, sloppy steering and poor shifting isn't asking for money?
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1988 CVLX (Destroyer) 1998-2001 driven to death 202K
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#4039670 - 12/13/19 01:38 PM Re: '03 SAP vs. '04 LX [Re: a_d_a_m]
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No, it’s helping me hone my driving skills.

The hole that just opened up in the LX’s trunk, however, IS asking for money!
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Originally Posted By JeffBoudah
As an affluent liberal, I choose $600 panthers because I have impeccable taste. Sure, I could have 4 teslas in my signature... But then I couldn't be a derp state optative infuriating a 20 year old internet forum to spread my lies amongst the 36 active members.
'91 LTD Country Squire (POTM Mar. '19) | '03 Marauder (POTM Nov. '10, Jul. '20) | 2010 P7B
formerly: '02 MGM, '04 MGM, '04 MGM v2.0, '04 MM, '07 P71 (POTM Feb. '18), '04 CVLX (POTM Jun. '19 and the best car ever), '03 SAP P71

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#4039942 - 12/16/19 12:33 AM Re: '03 SAP vs. '04 LX [Re: a_d_a_m]
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Obviously you should keep both and then buy something else you don't really need. That seems to be the common thing to do around CVN. Plus, that "one more winter" out of the LX will turn into 5 cuz its never actually gonna die.
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#4039946 - 12/16/19 07:53 AM Re: '03 SAP vs. '04 LX [Re: a_d_a_m]
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At some point, even adam will be ashamed of it, though.
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#4039978 - 12/16/19 04:23 PM Re: '03 SAP vs. '04 LX [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
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Originally Posted By BigMerc96
that "one more winter" out of the LX will turn into 5 cuz its never actually gonna die.
God I hope so. If I get even a third winter out of this, I will be shocked.
Originally Posted By Old_Guy_Stu
At some point, even adam will be ashamed of it, though.
Not sure about that! It's a $200 car so my standards get skewed with it.

Check out my crappy repair job in the '04 LX thread. laugh
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Originally Posted By JeffBoudah
As an affluent liberal, I choose $600 panthers because I have impeccable taste. Sure, I could have 4 teslas in my signature... But then I couldn't be a derp state optative infuriating a 20 year old internet forum to spread my lies amongst the 36 active members.
'91 LTD Country Squire (POTM Mar. '19) | '03 Marauder (POTM Nov. '10, Jul. '20) | 2010 P7B
formerly: '02 MGM, '04 MGM, '04 MGM v2.0, '04 MM, '07 P71 (POTM Feb. '18), '04 CVLX (POTM Jun. '19 and the best car ever), '03 SAP P71

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#4040434 - 12/21/19 06:25 PM Re: '03 SAP vs. '04 LX [Re: a_d_a_m]
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Illtake your broken, possessed LX for $8 and you can slowly watch the salt destroy the SAP
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#4041658 - 12/31/19 09:40 PM Re: '03 SAP vs. '04 LX [Re: a_d_a_m]
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Wait, is it possessed?
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Originally Posted By JeffBoudah
As an affluent liberal, I choose $600 panthers because I have impeccable taste. Sure, I could have 4 teslas in my signature... But then I couldn't be a derp state optative infuriating a 20 year old internet forum to spread my lies amongst the 36 active members.
'91 LTD Country Squire (POTM Mar. '19) | '03 Marauder (POTM Nov. '10, Jul. '20) | 2010 P7B
formerly: '02 MGM, '04 MGM, '04 MGM v2.0, '04 MM, '07 P71 (POTM Feb. '18), '04 CVLX (POTM Jun. '19 and the best car ever), '03 SAP P71

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