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#4096440 - 02/13/21 06:07 PM 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build
Traffic22 Offline
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Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 185
Loc: CA
Well, not that anyone has actually been waiting, but over the last couple months I've asked a handful of questions here while preparing my car to race in Lemons. First, I want to thank all those who contributed by helping me find correct wires to tap, bolts to remove, etc.

Back in October of 2020, I retired from a 29+ year career in public service. I've always wanted to race cars, and was looking for a project to keep me busy in retirement. For years, I had read about and watched videos of people running in the 24 hours of lemons series. The premise if you're unfamiliar, is junk cars endurance racing. It has been described as Halloween meets Gasoline, and looks like an absolute blast. (Here is more info if you're interested. 24 Hours Lemons)

The story of the car is as follow:

She started out life as a San Joaquin County Sheriff's car. As best as I can tell from the service records, she spent the first part of her life as a regular patrol car. Somewhere around 75k miles, she was transferred to the Custody Division, fitted with a massive stainless steel dog cage, and spent the next several years at an honor farm of some sort.

When my race team and I were looking for cars, we scoured the auction yard for just the right car. This one had a lot to be desired; the upper half of the motor (Intake, radiator, coolers, coils, and alternator) all looked mostly new. Once we won the car at auction and got a hold of the records, we found out why, those parts were all relatively new.

For those of you unfamiliar with San Joaquin County, in one word, hot. Very hot, all summer, hot hot hot. This car racked up the idle hours, and the AC system and a lot of related components were all replaced in the last 5 years.

We got her for $950.

Here she is "fresh," from the auction house.



The first step was to clean her up a little, and get an idea what we were really working with.

Here she is looking a little better after about 50lbs of dust removed.


So part of the deal with Lemons is your car can't exceed $500. You can offset a higher purchase price by selling parts you don't need. There are a bunch of exemptions to this rule for various types of equipment, and ultimately, everyone cheats, which is actually a little expected.

So, off comes all the things we don't need, including push bars, dog cage, siren, equipment shelf, etc.







Once we got the junk out, it was time to strip out the interior. Not only is it not needed for racing, most of it is not allowed for safety reasons.

While stripping the interior, found this hidden little GPS tracker. (Guess SJCO doesn't trust their deputies. LOL) I emailed the fleet manger and traded him the GPS device for the car's complete service history.



More interior strip



windows out



Ever wonder what guys who defuse bombs feel like? Spend an afternoon removing air bags.





We needed to leave the seat controls. (You'll see why later.)


Here she is, nice and empty finally. (Took a lot longer than expected, but inexperience slowed me down. Next time I could strip her out in a day.)




Along the way, it was time to do a little maintenance. Not really in order, but she's had new plugs put in. (Kind of a waste the plugs in her looked brand new.) New belt, tranny fluid, rear diff service, oil. We also swapped the stock tranny pan for a Dorman aftermarket with a bung welded in for a plug and quick fluid changes.

The next step was to pull the dash in preparation for a cage instal. Special thanks to @Davidzq who turned me on to all the locations for the screws, nuts and bolts. Dash actually came out fast. Although you could get away with doing it yourself, it really is much easier with another guy, or in my case, 2.




After separating the plastic, we put the metal support cage back in.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/hoT9KDz.jpg[/img]
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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

May 2021 POTM.

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#4096444 - 02/13/21 06:09 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
Traffic22 Offline
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Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 185
Loc: CA
You want an interesting adventure, try driving a stripped out CV 150 miles on a 40 degree morning. That is what I had to do to get it to the cage builder.

This is when the cage first went in, and we test fitted some padding. You can also see our race seat, and fire system.



But, the cage was surface rusting fast. While we're certainly not primadonnas or even care much about how we look, having rust rub off on us every time we got in an out of the car got old. Not only that, but let's face it, rust never takes a day off.

So time to stipe her clean again and go to work with the primer.





You'll also notice, at this point, half of what was left of the dash was cut off and removed, as it really wasn't needed anymore.


And our seat bracket, mounted on the OEM seat tracks. (Which is why we had to keep our power seat controls.)


More rust protection.



Now it was time to put her all back together, and install some gauges to keep an eye on things while racing.





One of the requirement of Lemons is a kill switch in reach of both the driver and safety officials. The switch has to kill not only the power to the car, but the engine at 2500+ RPM.

Because of the weird coil on plug system, this was not as easy as just interrupting a coil wire. Special thanks to @Davidzq again for his help with this. He helped us find the right wires to cut, and all works as it should.



So every Lemon's car has to have a theme. There are a bunch of guys running CV's in Lemons with some great themes. One of the teams helping us prepare is the Queen Victoria. (A ship themed CV) Another team, Clown Vic, has a....you guessed it, Clown theme.

We decided to go with a Chalk Board theme. We painted the car in Chalkboard paint so other racers could write on it with chalk. (I know we're opening ourselves up to penis drawings and what not, but hey, it's supposed to be fun.

Time to prep and paint. (Disclaimer...I am not a body and paint guy. Also, this car is going to likely get hammered from time to time (rubbing is racing) so no booth jobs here. Driveway and rattle can work.

Hand sanded with 250 grit. (FYI, removing the foil backed stripes SJCO put on took 2 full days with an eraser wheel and drill.) Insane how durable the decals were.




Second sanding, 400 grit.



Time to primer (yes, that is my fat butt priming the car.)



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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

May 2021 POTM.

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#4096446 - 02/13/21 06:10 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
Traffic22 Offline
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Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 185
Loc: CA
Finally time to get the Chalkboard paint on.



Now that she's all prepared, we had to do some durability upgrades so she'll survive on the track. On a quick side note, endurance racing is about reliability, plus the Lemon's rules punish engine upgrades, and major suspension upgrades. At some point we know we'll have to tighten up the handling, but for now, we simply "upgraded" to replacement OEM struts up front, and new shocks out back. (I think a full ADTR handling package may be in the future, but for now, we'll run with OEM.

We do get unlimited brake upgrades, so we went with Raybestos R300 front rotors, rear rotors from Brake Performance (I had already ordered these before finding the R300s, we'll eventually switch to R300 all around.)

Pads are Carbotech RP2 up front and Xp10 out back.

Plus a home made brake ducting system, along with removed dust shields for better air flow.




Brake Duct




Race weekend in 04/02-04/03. Although Sonoma Raceway in April is not too warm, we suspect Thunder Hill in late may, and Button Willow in September will be a different story. With that in mind, we added a little driver venting.

Started with Polly windows.



Then added some NACA ducts and vent tubes.



And of course a driver's fan.


After 5 months of work, she's pretty much ready to go. We loaded her on a trailer last weekend and took her to Davis for an unofficial safety inspection. The head of safety for Lemons is also an amazing custom fabricator. He welded the cage and mounted our seat, so we knew we were good to go there. But, we wanted to make sure the rest of our safety items were good. (Kill switch, harness routing, etc.)

We also installed a Borla cat back, not pictured. I have to say, great fit and finish, much quieter than I expected.

That is my build. I want to thank everyone here for the great advice and posts. I could not have done it without all your direct advice and info I just found by searching.

My team and I are getting super excited to race in April. My goal is to live stream the race from in the car via you tube. I'll try to remember to post a link here.

Lastly, the great thing about a race car with an enormous trunk? You can fit all your crap in it to transport to the track. (Try that in a Miata LOL.)



And a final shot of her on the trailer....











Edited by Traffic22 (02/13/21 06:13 PM)
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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

May 2021 POTM.

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#4096810 - 02/15/21 02:24 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
a_d_a_m Offline

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Registered: 10/25/05
Posts: 28116
Loc: Cleveland, OH
Nice ride.

I'm running the R300s on my Marauder (albeit with the Vette calipers/GT500 rotors on the front) and find that they're quiet yet hang in there pretty good. I ran the car on a road course and was rather impressed.
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'91 LTD Country Squire (POTM Mar. '19) | '03 Marauder (POTM Nov. '10, Jul. '20) | 2010 P7B (POTM Feb. '21)
formerly: '02 MGM, '04 MGM, '04 MGM v2.0, '04 MM, '07 P71 (POTM Feb. '18), '04 CVLX (POTM Jun. '19 and the best car ever), '03 SAP P71

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#4097060 - 02/16/21 05:16 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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Registered: 12/07/20
Posts: 33
Loc: Germany
24 Hours of lemons. Really think this is awesome event. Would have expected a kinda more... hm "flashy" paintjob grin

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#4098942 - 02/24/21 09:11 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: a_d_a_m]
Traffic22 Offline
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Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 185
Loc: CA
Originally Posted By a_d_a_m
Nice ride.

I'm running the R300s on my Marauder (albeit with the Vette calipers/GT500 rotors on the front) and find that they're quiet yet hang in there pretty good. I ran the car on a road course and was rather impressed.


Thanks for the info about the R300s. Really the only area of the car we're a little concerned about is the brakes holding up. Big heavy cars generate a lot of heat.

I think we have the right pads (based on a recommendation from another Lemons Team.) and I am confident in the rotors. I know we have the right fluid (Motul 660) but I am a little worried about the Calipers. Not so much the actual stopping power, but the heat and cooking/melting the seals.

I found a set of NOS Motorcraft calipers on eBay that were a pretty fair deal, so we're bringing a full set just in case. If the OEM Calipers prove to be an issue, we'll have to bite the bullet and go Willwood.
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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

May 2021 POTM.

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#4098944 - 02/24/21 09:13 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: GRMN_CV]
Traffic22 Offline
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Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 185
Loc: CA
Originally Posted By GRMN_CV
24 Hours of lemons. Really think this is awesome event. Would have expected a kinda more... hm "flashy" paintjob grin


As a group, we're pretty decent with a wrench, not so much with a rattle can. I know what you're driving at, there are some pretty crazy/cool themes in Lemons.
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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

May 2021 POTM.

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#4098986 - 02/25/21 06:41 AM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
Old_Guy_Stu Online   drunk

Over the Hill

Registered: 04/28/19
Posts: 2796
Loc: Cleveland, OH
Since you used chalkboard paint, you can have a new theme for every race. Just bring chalk, or leave some out in the pits and let your competitors decorate it. Of course, there's a 90% or better chance you'd end up driving the dickmobile.
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1988 CVLX Formal Roof (Love Boat) POTM July 2019, Aug 2020, & Oct 2021, 58K
E-code lights w/ relays, LEDs w/ switchbacks, 15x8 Ansen slots w/ 255/60 BFG's, Kenwood stereo, various hacks.
This, of course, was merely the semi-delirious notion of a fever-patient, but I remember that it struck me at the time as being eminently practical and feasible.

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#4099076 - 02/25/21 02:18 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
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Registered: 08/28/16
Posts: 10223
Loc: wny
Originally Posted By Old_Guy_Stu
Of course, there's a 90% or better chance you'd end up driving the dickmobile.

What are they, 10? I never saw the humour in drawing dicks on things.
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2008 Grand Marquis - bought 8/5/21 with a lot of help from Dmblanch - 90,312 mi POTM November 2021 slug
2008 Grand Marquis - bought 7/29/16 - 60,210 mi POTM - February 2019 joy POTM July 2021 by default drug



Originally Posted By Rob Gordon
NOW GET YOUR PATCHOULI STINK - OUTTA MY STORE! MOVE IT, LARD-ASS!

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#4099180 - 02/25/21 08:47 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
Old_Guy_Stu Online   drunk

Over the Hill

Registered: 04/28/19
Posts: 2796
Loc: Cleveland, OH
Congratulations, you're a 10 percenter!
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1988 CVLX Formal Roof (Love Boat) POTM July 2019, Aug 2020, & Oct 2021, 58K
E-code lights w/ relays, LEDs w/ switchbacks, 15x8 Ansen slots w/ 255/60 BFG's, Kenwood stereo, various hacks.
This, of course, was merely the semi-delirious notion of a fever-patient, but I remember that it struck me at the time as being eminently practical and feasible.

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#4101004 - 03/08/21 11:16 AM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
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Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 185
Loc: CA
Yep, we have a big bucket of chalk and a sign inviting people to “decorate” the car. We fully expect the 12 year old will come out in all the other teams. We have an over/under pool going on our team for the total number of penises drawn on the car. It’ll be a dickmobile for sure.
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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

May 2021 POTM.

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#4103784 - 04/02/21 12:46 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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Registered: 02/28/17
Posts: 3
Loc: Vermont, USA
Always wanted to do this. Thanks for the pics, inspiring. Good luck this weekend!
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2003 MGM Limited - "Grumpy Limo" , Spruce Green
145k, Borla cat-back, JLT intake w/80MM MAF, 70MM TB, SCT tune from Mo, rear Marauder sway bar, Stoptech brakes w/ Hawk pads, lots of love in general maintenance...but 2.73s. (sigh)

2019 Ford Explorer XLT - "Big Blue". Kid carrier.
Mods: It's uh, vacuumed....occasionally.

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#4110250 - 05/23/21 11:34 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 185
Loc: CA
Well, it has been a busy 2 months since our race at Sonoma. I think I posted elsewhere, but we far exceeded our own expectations, finishing 50 out of 132 overall, and 21 out of 62 in our class.

I want to thank everyone who voted for our car for POTM, I’m extremely honored.

Sonoma took a toll on the old girl. We had almost as much ATF on the trailer as we did in the PS reservoir when we got home. Initially it appeared to be coming from the high pressure line, so I replaced it. Unfortunately that did not resolve the issue, as I found fluid on the bottom of the pump, and running down the lines. A replacement PS pump has fixed the issue thankfully.

We also took advantage of 88GrandMarq’s expertise and shipped off our valve body for a rebuild, some stronger components and a J-Mod. At the same time we ditched the stock trans cooler and upgraded to a massive Derale cooler, along with a change over to Mecon V full synthetic. These changes work so well, under normal driving conditions we have a hard time getting up to normal operating temp.

I was able to swing a few dollars for some “cheaty” suspension upgrades. We had a cracked sway bar mount, so that was the perfect excuse to upgrade the front and rear sway bars. At the same time, I did the upper/lower rear control arms and Watts link.

Oh, and I was actually able to get the car weighed. (With a real 4 corner race scale) 3838 total, 56/44. 3838 may seem like it’s still heavy considering it’s stripped out, but keep in mind our cage weighs about 160-175 pounds, our fire system is another 30-40, and we still have the base with motor for the driver’s seat. (Our race seat is adjustable, because we welded a bracket to the OEM seat mechanism) I’d like to find a way to lose about 140-150 lbs, as much from the front as possible, but we’ll see.

One week till Thunderhill, wish us luck. For anyone who wants to watch the live stream of our race, we broadcast in car video all day Sat, and Sunday, from start of race till the end. (Just search YouTube for Traffic220 channel, and you’ll be able to see the race live.)

Some photos of the recent work:



We reorganized our dash a bit to put the radio in easier reach, and changed the configuration on our OBD gauges.




Old leaky pump.


New sway bars





We consulted a variety of sources before deciding on control arms, ultimately we decided the CHE Performance arms were the best for endurance racing. (Best combination of improved handling, and durability for long track sessions.)



That’s it for now…Thunderhill 5/29 and 5/30.
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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

May 2021 POTM.

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#4110268 - 05/24/21 07:03 AM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
Old_Guy_Stu Online   drunk

Over the Hill

Registered: 04/28/19
Posts: 2796
Loc: Cleveland, OH
Should turn a lot better with that monster rear bar. Good luck!
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1988 CVLX Formal Roof (Love Boat) POTM July 2019, Aug 2020, & Oct 2021, 58K
E-code lights w/ relays, LEDs w/ switchbacks, 15x8 Ansen slots w/ 255/60 BFG's, Kenwood stereo, various hacks.
This, of course, was merely the semi-delirious notion of a fever-patient, but I remember that it struck me at the time as being eminently practical and feasible.

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#4112406 - 06/14/21 12:19 AM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 185
Loc: CA
Some of this information was posted int the drivetrain thread, where I’ve been soliciting (and receiving) a lot of help with a trans overheating situation.

We were a hot mess at Thunderhill in both the literal and figurative sense.

It as close to 100 degrees the entire time we races. Surface temp of our car as as high as 150, and it was easily 140 in the car.

We learned a lot of lessons.

1) You can’t have enough cooling measures in place for driver and car.
2) Things that are known to fail, will. Our fan module cooked itself.
3) Handling is much better, but new coilovers and rear shocks are a must.
4) We need new rear gears to keep up. The other Vic in the race was much faster than us.
5) We’re still too heavy…the girl is on a diet now, weight reduction is free and a high priority.

Since we’ve been back, lots of work going on. So some photos, cause let’s face it, that the best part….(Remember our theme is our car is a Chalkboard. All the decorations came from fellow racers.)

Little bit of race action.






Some close ups of the decorations.





And some of the work the last couple weeks….

Bye Bye Fan Module, hello direct wired fan




And the diet begins, every bit counts….

Water bottle and AC Condenser out.




Ford 4.6 “short belt” reroute. Works unexpectedly well once the correct pulley is installed.




More to come soon…lots and lots of parts on order. Stay tuned.
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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

May 2021 POTM.

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#4112518 - 06/15/21 12:01 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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Registered: 10/09/12
Posts: 24
Loc: Oklahoma
Just read through all of your post. Awesome work! I remember watching a clip about the "ugliest Miata" (probably a donut media video) and they mentioned the driver cooling issues. Outside of being a little toasty, this looks like a blast!
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#4112702 - 06/16/21 08:13 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: DannyB]
Traffic22 Offline
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Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 185
Loc: CA
Originally Posted By DannyB
Just read through all of your post. Awesome work! I remember watching a clip about the "ugliest Miata" (probably a donut media video) and they mentioned the driver cooling issues. Outside of being a little toasty, this looks like a blast!


Thanks for the kind words, it is certainly a ton of fun. Little expensive, but by far one of the cheapest forms of racing you can do.

Owning a race car is interesting for sure. It’s like owning a helicopter, for every hour you fly you spend 3 hours on maintenance. I would guess, between preparing the car, maintenance, and post race changes, I’m closing in on 700-800 hours of work.

Lots and lots of parts on order, some work already done, more to get done the next few weeks. I’ll post some updated photos soon.


Edited by Traffic22 (06/16/21 08:14 PM)
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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

May 2021 POTM.

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#4112944 - 06/18/21 07:52 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 185
Loc: CA
The weather has been hot here in the Bay Area, so I’ve had to limit my work to morning hours. But, I’ve been able to get a little done.

Wired up the trans temp gauge, and got a replacement fuel pressure gauge. (I ruined my last one by over tightening it in the pod.) Ordered new pods with a different style mount to prevent that happening again. Also got the switch panel mounted.

Still waiting on parts. But, with some advice from another member, took another stab at a replacement steering wheel. Previously, we had used a Grant Mustang hub adapter and Grant wheel. We had all sorts of binding problems with the wheel, so we switched back to the OEM wheel. But, we really needed a better solution. We have a big guy who drives with us, and climbing over the cage was tough with the wheel in the way.

We went with the NRG SRK-179H hub adapter. It’s made for mustangs, but fits our cars perfectly. It’s keyed, so you can’t install it wrong. Along with a NRG Nex-Gen 2.0 SFI Hub, a d NRG 13.8” steering wheel.

Quick test drive confirmed no binding.






Trans cooler upgrade soon, stay tuned.
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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

May 2021 POTM.

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#4113892 - 07/01/21 10:16 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 185
Loc: CA
Well it’s been a busy couple of weeks. BIG changes/Upgrade coming before the end of the month. But, in the mean time, I’ve been working hard to fix the problem areas.

One of the problems with running only distilled water, is rust. Even with distilled water, the cooling system will generate rust. Since we hadn’t flushed the system since changing over to distilled water only, it was time. I used the Prestone flushing solution. Along with about 20 gallons of clean distilled water, our system is rust free again. I also changed out the coolant reservoir, the grimy OEM reservoir was making me nuts, Kudos to Dorman, very nice reservoir. Fit and finish are perfect.




That’s some nasty water.


You can see the clean clear water in the new clear clean reservoir.


Finally got our new trans cooler. This thing is very big. Fitting it was a little tricky and required relocating the PS cooler.



The new trans cooler is not only much, much larger, but it’s stacked plate vs tube and fin, which is a more efficient design.


Because the new trans cooler is so big, there was no room for the OEM PS cooler.

Not to worry, I repurposed the old trans cooler as our new PS cooler, it wasn’t up to the task for the Trans under race conditions but was fantastic when not over-stressed. I think it will do pretty well as a PS cooler.



Fabrication work is not my strong area. But, everything is mounted firmly, doesn’t rattle (I think) and the Trans cooler does not block the PS cooler or vise versa.

Still have to plumb it all up. One of the issues I had was buying the wrong hose. I bought 3/8”, which I still plan to plumb most of the Trans Cooler and PS cooler with. But, the lines exiting the Trans are 1/4”.



I need to order a short section of 1/4” to tap the in and out line. Hope to have it all finished next week so the work on the BIG upgrade can start. (No, it’s not a new engine)
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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

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#4113908 - 07/01/21 11:21 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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Eons ago, like in the 70's, Prestone had a antirust/water pump lubricant additive we use to use. Came in a metal can back then. Don't know if it still exists. I think the 'newer' Water Wetter does similar.


Edited by 85GT (07/01/21 11:22 PM)
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#4113914 - 07/02/21 12:33 AM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: 85GT]
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Originally Posted By 85GT
Eons ago, like in the 70's, Prestone had a antirust/water pump lubricant additive we use to use. Came in a metal can back then. Don't know if it still exists. I think the 'newer' Water Wetter does similar.


That’s a good idea. Lemons does not allow it on the track, but between races might save us some headaches. Thanks
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Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

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#4114278 - 07/05/21 05:09 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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Originally Posted By Traffic22


Wow great thread! Super cool build.
I see this picture answers the question I posted in your drivetrain thread. What a mess! Perfect shell to strip out and turn into a race car.
I just have one question; does it still smell like dog?


Edited by Tenevic_P71 (07/05/21 05:11 PM)
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#4114970 - 07/11/21 12:30 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Tenevic_P71]
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Originally Posted By Tenevic_P71
Originally Posted By Traffic22


Wow great thread! Super cool build.
I see this picture answers the question I posted in your drivetrain thread. What a mess! Perfect shell to strip out and turn into a race car.
I just have one question; does it still smell like dog?


Not too much anymore, but we still get some random dog hair appear out of nowhere. The biggest problem with the dog cage is it caused minor floorboard rust. We scrubbed it off with a wire brush and sand paper, then primered over it to keep it from getting worse.
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Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

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#4115472 - 07/17/21 12:28 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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It was a busy grunt work kind of week. My hands and arms are tired, and there’s still a little work to do.

Finally got the trans cooler and PS cooler plumbed. After several hours chasing leaks and cleaning up lots of spilled ATF, I was able to move onto the “big” upgrade I mentioned in previous posts.

I did a full front suspension overhaul. The plan has always been to upgrade the front shocks/sprigs. I debated a very long time between QA1 and Ride Tech coilovers. After talking to a bunch of people, reading dozens of posts, and talking to other racers, finally decided to go with the Ride Tech kit Chris sells at ADTR.

Prior to installing the suspension kit, it seemed ridiculous to me to install fancy coilovers on old suspension components. I ordered Motorcraft upper/lower control arms, new inner and outer tie rods, and new hubs.

100% truth, probably a waste of money, the stuff that came off the car actually looked pretty good. Of course the bushings were worn, they have 130k miles on them and 1100 race miles on them. But honestly, they were still in pretty good shape. I did have a couple of mildly torn upper control arm bushings, but still would have been serviceable.

I still have to install the SPC camber kit, and I’m waiting on back ordered tie rod boots. Plus, I needed new sway bar studs. (The passenger side stud brackets were rusted and broken.)

I also still have to install the rear spring perches, sprigs, and shocks. Probably won’t have her back on the ground until first week of August, but here are some photos of the work so far.



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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

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#4115498 - 07/17/21 10:00 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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I always heard you were supposed to mount coilovers above the control arm, so the weight of the car isn't hanging on the shock mounting bolts. Does ADTR provide a stronger lower mount?
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E-code lights w/ relays, LEDs w/ switchbacks, 15x8 Ansen slots w/ 255/60 BFG's, Kenwood stereo, various hacks.
This, of course, was merely the semi-delirious notion of a fever-patient, but I remember that it struck me at the time as being eminently practical and feasible.

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#4115680 - 07/19/21 10:59 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
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Originally Posted By Old_Guy_Stu
I always heard you were supposed to mount coilovers above the control arm, so the weight of the car isn't hanging on the shock mounting bolts. Does ADTR provide a stronger lower mount?


ADTR provides sleeves for the lower control arm. There is also a replacement bolt for the lower mount, it is similar to the stock configuration, just adjustable for height, with a better spring rate, and adjustable dampening and rebound. (They adjust together.) there are also bushings that slip onto the lower mounting hole of the coilover.

As for the top mount, there is a solid metal plate, with a bracket.

I’m not sure what the “right” way is, but this kit is very similar to what I’ve seen on other makes/models with similar suspensions.

I like that it’s real world tested, several members here are running it, with good results. I also like that Chris runs it in his cars.

It is extremely similar to the way the stock shock/spring mounts, which is actually what I like most about the kit.
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Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

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#4117950 - 08/11/21 07:55 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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Finally got the sway bar end links hooked up. This is the solution in the stickied MEDC suspension thread. Sean, the inventor of this solution has moved on from Crown Vic’s to VW (I know, odd) but I found him on Instagram and he was super helpful. I asked him a whole bunch of questions about all things CV and he provided a lot of good advice.

I’ve also finally got all the Trans Cooler and PS cooler leaks stopped. (Thank god. I spent 2 weeks stinking like ATF) Long story short, PS cooler didn’t fit after changing to massive trans cooler, so old secondary trans cooler became PS cooler, But, in the relocation process, damaged the PS cooler, so had to order a new one. Ordered the biggest plate and fin I could fit. But, it arrived with a damaged core. After days of trying to find the leak, figured it out, sent it back, and now new one seems to be leak free.

Here are some photos of the new end links, and the car sitting way low now. (Keep in mind our tire diameter is only 25.6, compared to the 27.1 stock.)






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Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

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#4125222 - 10/21/21 07:45 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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It took a little more time than expected, but the rear Diff rebuild is done. 3.73 and a Detroit Eaton TruTrac, plus all new bearings and axels, and a Marty tune to make it all work. It wasn’t cheap, but I think it’ll prove to be a worthwhile upgrade.

We we’re definitely living on borrowed time with our old diff. I didn’t realize how bad it howled until I heard how quiet the new diff is.

The Marty tune, as expected, is excellent. The engine tune is 100% spot on. Smoother idle, fixed drive by wire numbness, and engine responds nicely to throttle input. Trans shift is a bit harsh and clunky at light throttle and low speeds. I think with our J-Mod and valve body rebuild it may be a touch aggressive. The 1-2 shift at slower speeds (under 30) and part throttle feels like being rear ended, and make a horrible driveline clunk.

Marty is awesome, we’ve discussed it and might change it, or may leave it, need some time to assess the Trans programming before changing it.

Finally had time to finish installing our helmet blower, cool suit set-up, and a chicken wire rock catcher grill. Pulled the headlight to get some more direct air flow to the intake. We’ll run this race with the winky look and see how it goes.

And of course some pics of all the changes.

Old worn out ring and pinion.


Buttoned up Diff.


New Chicken Wire grill.



Helmet blower set up. Air is pulled in from the outside through the large hose attached to the NACA Duct in the rear window. Air is routed to a small plastic, home made filter box, with a little 4x6 cabin air filter. Air is pulled through by the pump mounted to the floor, and blown through the small hose to the helmet.




Cool Suit chest and pump.




6 weeks till Sonoma, and about a dozen little things to do before we go, but getting close. New tires and finally an alignment next week.
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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

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#4125224 - 10/21/21 09:07 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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I think those hard shifts are going to help with your trans temp. Slippage=heat. And it's not like it's your daily driver.
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E-code lights w/ relays, LEDs w/ switchbacks, 15x8 Ansen slots w/ 255/60 BFG's, Kenwood stereo, various hacks.
This, of course, was merely the semi-delirious notion of a fever-patient, but I remember that it struck me at the time as being eminently practical and feasible.

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#4125242 - 10/22/21 01:53 AM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
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Originally Posted By Old_Guy_Stu
I think those hard shifts are going to help with your trans temp. Slippage=heat. And it's not like it's your daily driver.


I totally agree and that’s one of the things Marty and I discussed. The $60k question is, how hard is too hard?

I’m not asking that sarcastically I really don’t know. Sometimes it slams the trans into gear so hard it sounds like (but I really don’t know) the drive shaft is clunking. It’s hard to tell, because without an interior the car is loud inside, every sound reverberates, and it’s actually harder to diagnose things that “don’t sound right.”

Marty is the man, and based on all the cars he’s tuned, and specifically Lemons, and Lucky Dog cars, I trust him. We actually need to drive it a bit to wear in the gears a bit more before we race it. That’ll give us the opportunity to put it in stands and inspect everything before we go, and also get a better feel for the Trans shift strategy.

It’s still super sketchy on the road. It’s finally going for new tires and and an alignment. It’s still rolling around on unevenly worn race tires, and a full front suspension rebuild, including camber adjuster, all without an alignment. Once it’s a little more balanced and stable, it’ll be easier to feel what it’s doing.

I am wide open to any suggestions or feedback people have, so feel free to throw it out here,
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Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

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#4128118 - 11/18/21 07:51 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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Some final detail work prior to racing. (14 Days till the Lemons Ass-Freeze-Apoloza at Sonoma raceway.) If you live in the SF Bay Area come on up 12/4-12/5, and cheer us on. If you’re not in the Bay Area, I’ll try to remember to post a link to our in car live feed of the race.

As for the work; We added an under tray between the front bumper and radiator support to help push more air through the radiator. Re-taped our headlights, got the radio relocated, and cleaned out the inside. We had new tires mounted, and an alignment done a couple weeks ago. (We’re running -2.5 degrees of negative camber, and 1/8” toe in. This was a spec recommended to us by a number of other racers, we’ll see what our tire wear looks like and adjust from there.)

All that’s left to do is flush the radiator, (we have to run straight water, but have rust inhibitors in there now) and top off the fuel tank.





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Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

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#4129602 - 12/06/21 12:04 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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We’re back from a long weekend in Sonoma. We had a good time, but spent a lot of hours wrenching on the car fixing broken stuff.

The good: We managed to finish the race. We finished 101 or 147 overall, and 46th in class. All the work to fix our transmission problems paid off. It never got above 185 all weekend. That’s a 70+ degree drop from our last visit to Sonoma.

The Bad: We have a problem with our brake system. I think our steering column is developing an issue. We have a mystery clunk in our suspension.

We wrapped up the 2021 season (our first with Lemons) 3 races, 3 finishes, and about 1500 race miles.

We’re aiming for 4 races in 2022, including a 24 hour race in September.

Lastly, just want to congratulate the Queen Victoria Team. They won Class B (Same class we are in). It is their first class win. The car is a manual swapped CVPI, running the bottom end from a junk yard car. The held off a BMW motor swapped Volvo for the class win. (Oh, and a 35 year old BMW won the overall, but one of its drivers was Randy Probst)

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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

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#4129658 - 12/06/21 11:21 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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What was up with your brakes and steering column?

We thought we had a clunk in the suspension, but it turned out it was the body flexing/popping under hard braking/turns. The only way to be sure is just start checking for tight bolts, and worn parts.

What do you have for a trans cooling setup? Ours is almost under control but i think the lack of radiator ducting is the final missing piece.


Edited by hkerekes (12/06/21 11:39 PM)

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#4129922 - 12/09/21 06:07 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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Our Year in Review:

First I want to thank everyone on this forum. There is NO WAY we could have gotten here without all your help and advice. Our successes are your successes. Our failures are always caused by us, no matter how much I'd like to blame others. LOL.

Our first race was Sonoma in April, 2021. Ironically, this was our best race with the cleanest driving, and fewest issues.

We Finished 50 out of 132 overall, and 21 out of 62 in out class.

Our second race was Thunderhill in May 2021. We blew up our fan module, overheated the trans and car, and drove like crap, incurring a handful of penalties.

We finished 71 out of 116, and 30 out of 56 in our class.

Our final race for 2021, was Sonoma again. We had brake problems that cost us 5 hours on track. I personally caught my first 2 black flags in 3 races...one for missing a yellow and passing, the other for spinning the car in turn 3 and 3a. (Came in too hot and off the racing line.)

See Below:


But there was some good driving too...here are my first few laps, navigating traffic, and avoiding a couple of wrecks.


We finished 101 out of 147 and 44 out of 62 in class.

It wasn't easy, but we entered 3 races and managed to finish all 3.

We have a 4 race schedule in 2022, starting with Sonoma in March. Wish us luck and I'll keep you all updated.
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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

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#4130036 - 12/10/21 10:35 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: hkerekes]
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Originally Posted By hkerekes
What was up with your brakes and steering column?

We thought we had a clunk in the suspension, but it turned out it was the body flexing/popping under hard braking/turns. The only way to be sure is just start checking for tight bolts, and worn parts.

What do you have for a trans cooling setup? Ours is almost under control but i think the lack of radiator ducting is the final missing piece.


Not sure if I covered this in another post, or direct reply to you in an email, but for anyone else reading and wondering:

Our master went bad, we changed it, evidence now suggests we have air trapped in our ABS. I have 3 Quarts of Motul 660 on order, and my regular mechanic is going to "electronically bleed" the system.

I was going to use the wet leaf method suggested in another post, but this seems safer and more efficient.

I think, we have some worn joints in the steering system. We had a loose lower shaft to rack bolt, and I know those joints are a known wear point. With 130,000 miles and 1500 race miles, we are replacing them out of an abundance of precaution. I looked into a race column, but not right for us at this time.

We are using the same cooler you are. (Sort of, no fan attached.) Derale Stacked plate. We run the factory fan the entire time. (See the post on page 2 of this build.) It was only 55-60 degrees all weekend, so that was in our favor, but huge drop in temps.
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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

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#4131676 - 12/31/21 11:55 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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As 2021 winds down and the 2022 race season is already on the horizon, some good and bad.

The good; my soft brake pedal has been rectified. The details are here.
https://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...522#Post4131522

Unfortunately I then developed a wrench light which led to the discovery of several stored codes in the PCM. That problem was rectified by replacing the BOO and cruise control brake switch. The details are documented here.
https://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...644#Post4131644

I was able to rebuild some of the steering components, lower shaft, mid shaft, collar and boot. The results exceeded my expectations, and our steering is much smoother and quieter than it’s ever been. The details are documented here.
https://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...642#Post4131642

Back in October, I had my diff rebuilt, including new ring and pinion, Detroit Tru-Trac, new axels, and all new bearings. Everything was great, and thought the mechanic had actually done a really good job.

When I went to change the diff oil, (It’s good practice to change the diff oil after a few hundred miles, and actually recommended in the FRPP instructions for their ring and pinion.) I discovered the mechanic had replaced one of the diff cover bolts with some random bolt. It also appeared at first, he had forgotten to put one of the bolts in. However, upon closer inspection, I discovered this:


Yep, that’s a bolt broken off in the diff housing. Needless to say, I was pissed.

Now, when I was in my 20s, and 30s, I probably would have flown into a rage, and yelled at the mechanic. Now that I’m in my 50s, I take a calmer and more measured approach to life’s little hiccups. I had a firm, but calm discussion with the mechanic. He admitted to using the odd bolt, claimed he did know about the broken bolt, and we reached an agreement to make things right.

One of my race team mates is a professional mechanic and he’s going to extract it, by either drilling it and using an extraction bit. Or, we’ll tack another bolt to it and back it out.

I’m glad I found this after we put 300 race miles on he car. Had I found it before our last race, I’m not sure I would have been confident in the diff work. After 300 miles of racing, and no diff issues, we’ll fix this issue, clean out the diff, fill it back up, and seal it up with new OEM bolts. As long as we don’t get contamination in there, should be all good.

The car is really close to being ready to race in March. We’ve done a ton of brake system work, and really the only thing left that isn’t new are the calipers. I have a set of new Motorcraft calipers we’ve been keeping as spares. Feels like now is as good a time as any.

We are also looking into changing to 17” wheels and running 275/40/17 versus the 245/40/18 we run now.

May be a while before I update the build, but work continues.

Best wishes to all in 2022.

252 Days to the 24 Hours of Lemons 24 Hour Race at High Plains Raceway!!!!!
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Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

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#4131906 - 01/03/22 01:05 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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This thread is AWESOME. Love seeing this build!
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#4131926 - 01/03/22 03:16 PM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: Traffic22]
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Racers really push the limit and show how good our cars really are. Thanks for sharing.
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#4132006 - 01/04/22 02:07 AM Re: 24 Hours of Lemons Race Build [Re: SocalSam]
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Registered: 05/14/12
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Loc: CA
Originally Posted By hot__box
This thread is AWESOME. Love seeing this build!


Thanks so much. It’s a labor of love, and has been really educational. I know more about the car than I ever thought I would. It’s also been a great learning experience.

Originally Posted By SocalSam
Racers really push the limit and show how good our cars really are. Thanks for sharing.


It is amazing how good they are. And fast, even on a stock motor, once you start cutting weight.

I honestly can’t thank everyone on this forum enough for all the help. From figuring out where to tap the ignition for our kill switch, to help with removing the dash, advice on brake problems, trouble codes, and the dozens of posts from others where I was able to look up info, we couldn’t do it without all the information and help here.
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2011 P7B Former San Joaquin Co Dog Car. Current 24 Hours of Lemons Race Car. 132,000+ miles, 1500+ race track miles, 7500+ idle hours.

Fully gutted, roll cage, OMP Race Seat, 5 point harness, 3.73, Detroit Tru-Trac, Marty Tune, J-Mod by 88GrandMarq, CHE rear control arms and watts link, ARP watts link stud, Ridetech coilovers, ADTR sway bars, custom sway bar end links, Carbotech brake pads, 245/40/18 Falken RT615K+ tires on 18x8 Mustang wheels, Derale trans and PS Cooler.

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