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#4098568 - 02/22/21 06:23 PM Accident damage assessment
YoungP71dude Offline
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Registered: 08/16/19
Posts: 180
Loc: Charlotte, NC
Hey everyone,

Unfortunately my Crown Vic and I were involved in an accident earlier today. Thank the Lord and this absolute unit of a car that my dad and I are fine without major sustained injuries, but the car isn't looking too good. We took a head-on collision (with us at a near standstill, beginning to turn left) to the front passenger quarter panel from a 2013 Sienna going presumably 40-50 MPH. Our airbags didn't deploy. No word on damage or at fault, but my here's my assessment from the sidewalk:

- The rest of the car is fine, except the aforementioned area
- Axle/tie rod/suspension is definitely snapped
- Fender panel is crippled
- Bumper and grille are smushed
- Hood is somewhat jacked
- My dad had a hard time opening his door initially

So what are you guys' thoughts? Is the damage repairable or is the car done for?

Thanks.
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#4098578 - 02/22/21 06:38 PM Re: Accident damage assessment [Re: YoungP71dude]
TheCableGuy Offline
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Registered: 04/08/19
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Oof. Pictures would help but hard to say. Real question is.. any frame damage?

Lot of those parts you listed can be had at a junkyard for a small price. Then add in matching paint if you dare.. which can get expensive quick.

Suspension ain’t cheap.. and I wouldn’t really want to use JY suspension crap, since it’s a pain as is.
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#4098580 - 02/22/21 06:45 PM Re: Accident damage assessment [Re: YoungP71dude]
VoodooChild Offline
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Registered: 11/23/17
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Loc: Northeast
Glad to hear you're both okay.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was fine once the damaged parts are replaced. My 2001 LX got T boned before I bought it at 90k and it was still driving great when I sold it around 160k even with the frame slightly warped.

Give it a good inspection to make sure nothing is cracked on the frame, steering knuckles, ect.
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#4098582 - 02/22/21 06:45 PM Re: Accident damage assessment [Re: YoungP71dude]
YoungP71dude Offline
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Registered: 08/16/19
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Loc: Charlotte, NC
Will get photos ASAP. I can paint body panels myself, that wouldn't be too hard.

I doubt any frame damage, the engine was still running after impact without change to exhaust tone (didn't hit the pipe). Odds might be in my favor.
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2004 P71 - 8/12/2019-present - Teenager-owned and maintained Ex-Sheriff Car w/ 87K miles
DIY 2.5" Catback Dual Exhaust; Posi 3.73 & Manual on the wishlist
Noico Sound Deadening
$370 Maaco Black Paint Job (self prep work)
Plowed by a minivan and still running better than ever.

Your imagination, DIY skills and wallet are the only limits when it comes to modifying a Panther car.

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#4098584 - 02/22/21 07:14 PM Re: Accident damage assessment [Re: YoungP71dude]
CrystalPistol Offline
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Registered: 10/16/01
Posts: 2877
Loc: Shenandoah Valley
Originally Posted By YoungP71dude
Hey everyone,

Unfortunately my Crown Vic and I were involved in an accident earlier today. Thank the Lord and this absolute unit of a car that my dad and I are fine without major sustained injuries, but the car isn't looking too good. We took a head-on collision (with us at a near standstill, beginning to turn left) to the front passenger quarter panel from a 2013 Sienna going presumably 40-50 MPH. Our airbags didn't deploy. No word on damage or at fault, but my here's my assessment from the sidewalk:

- The rest of the car is fine, except the aforementioned area
- Axle/tie rod/suspension is definitely snapped
- Fender panel is crippled
- Bumper and grille are smushed
- Hood is somewhat jacked
- My dad had a hard time opening his door initially

So what are you guys' thoughts? Is the damage repairable or is the car done for?

Thanks.
Glad you and your dad are OK, sorry to hear about the crash.

If an insurance company is on the hook, they'll likely total it, but might offer it back at salvage value?

If on your dime, a JY will be your friend I think.

Air bags aren't supposed to deploy with a stopped car. The SRS control (located on the hump near the center of mass) module makes that decision using sensor input and deceleration rates, it decides also first stage and if severe enough ... for second stage deployments. Even in the absence of deployment, there may well be damaged sensors that'll have to be fixed.

Good luck!
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#4098592 - 02/22/21 08:07 PM Re: Accident damage assessment [Re: YoungP71dude]
2007CrownVic Offline
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Registered: 11/19/11
Posts: 3102
Loc: Canada
No way of knowing without seeing the damage. At that speed and with what it took out there is probably also damage to all the metal behind those areas and while it's probably more easily replacable on a crown vic then another car it would come down to is the time involved worth it. It won't be from the insurance company but could be for yourself if you can buy it back for a good price.

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#4098604 - 02/22/21 09:40 PM Re: Accident damage assessment [Re: YoungP71dude]
YoungP71dude Offline
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Registered: 08/16/19
Posts: 180
Loc: Charlotte, NC
Thanks for the replies everyone, love y'all.

Headed to the tow yard tomorrow for further examination, I'll get some pictures for y'all.
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2004 P71 - 8/12/2019-present - Teenager-owned and maintained Ex-Sheriff Car w/ 87K miles
DIY 2.5" Catback Dual Exhaust; Posi 3.73 & Manual on the wishlist
Noico Sound Deadening
$370 Maaco Black Paint Job (self prep work)
Plowed by a minivan and still running better than ever.

Your imagination, DIY skills and wallet are the only limits when it comes to modifying a Panther car.

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#4098618 - 02/22/21 11:02 PM Re: Accident damage assessment [Re: YoungP71dude]
Ryan Offline

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Registered: 02/01/05
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I used to be a claims adjuster for what it's worth. The age of the car is a killer but the fact that your airbags didn't pop MAY, and that's a big may, save you. But just based on what you've said it's likely totalled.

As for fault, if you were in any way over the line you'll wind up likely bearing the responsibility for the accident. However NC is a contributory negligence state which means that if either party contributed even 1% of liability to the accident, then they can't collect from the other party. This can sometimes be a tough sell but I've successfully won cases with it. Itll be up to your insurance adjuster. If you need any help with it let me know. But in the meantime definitely post pictures of the damage.

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#4098692 - 02/23/21 02:57 PM Re: Accident damage assessment [Re: YoungP71dude]
YoungP71dude Offline
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Registered: 08/16/19
Posts: 180
Loc: Charlotte, NC
So great news. No frame damage, most of the stuff should be replaceable for not much. Regardless, the car is far from totaled. At least that's what the tow guy and a body guy he knows said.

Main damage:
- Fender, hood, grille, and bumper need to be replaced
- Upper control arm needs replacing
- Radiator support frame is bent
- Small windshield crack
- Overall just body work

Unaffected area:
- The rest of the car, including engine, transmission, and other areas

We only have liability insurance so repair is on our end.
Seriously a blessing to know that this car is still repairable. The people in my neighborhood, some in my town, heck even the local police know how hard I've worked on this car.

Pictures:
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https://ibb.co/mHSwnQJ - Wheel well
https://ibb.co/rGdN84J - Front left
https://ibb.co/Lr1Fm5L - Front center
https://ibb.co/KhLS4Pb - Front right (main affected area)
https://ibb.co/61Xw8Pq - Back right forward
https://ibb.co/qdbcGWX - Back right (not affected)
https://ibb.co/sRtbKLw - Back left forward (not affected)
https://ibb.co/pK6zhms - Front left forward
https://ibb.co/1s4DTtQ - Front left close
https://ibb.co/JytNKDd - Front center overhead
https://ibb.co/1JjkmQZ - Windshield crack
https://ibb.co/58C3RMy - Radiator frame
https://ibb.co/nstFdG1 - Engine bay from right
https://ibb.co/XStnm08 - Front right close (main affected area)


Edited by YoungP71dude (02/23/21 03:41 PM)
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2004 P71 - 8/12/2019-present - Teenager-owned and maintained Ex-Sheriff Car w/ 87K miles
DIY 2.5" Catback Dual Exhaust; Posi 3.73 & Manual on the wishlist
Noico Sound Deadening
$370 Maaco Black Paint Job (self prep work)
Plowed by a minivan and still running better than ever.

Your imagination, DIY skills and wallet are the only limits when it comes to modifying a Panther car.

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#4098694 - 02/23/21 03:26 PM Re: Accident damage assessment [Re: YoungP71dude]
RF_Overlord Offline

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Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 7409
Loc: MA
Just put a fender on it...the rest will buff out.

Seriously, glad you're not injured and that the car is fixable.
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#4098698 - 02/23/21 03:41 PM Re: Accident damage assessment [Re: YoungP71dude]
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Just goes to show how invincible these cars are.
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#4098702 - 02/23/21 04:10 PM Re: Accident damage assessment [Re: YoungP71dude]
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Consider having only liability a good thing. Up here, insurance would write that off in a heartbeat as cost to repair > value of car + age of car (and plop a salvage title on it so you can't just fix it up if you buy it back, you'd need to go through full set of inspections). So dig into it and have a go at it, you got nothing to lose except the cost of junkyard parts
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#4098742 - 02/23/21 07:04 PM Re: Accident damage assessment [Re: YoungP71dude]
Ryan Offline

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Registered: 02/01/05
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Yeah if that was going through insurance it would definitely be a total loss. But since you're fixing it yourself you can dump as much money as you want into it to fix it. It'll be up to you whether you feel like it's worth it or not.

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#4098788 - 02/24/21 12:36 AM Re: Accident damage assessment [Re: GM_Guy]
2007CrownVic Offline
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Registered: 11/19/11
Posts: 3102
Loc: Canada
Plenty of crown vics around still. Find a yard that has one to pick over and pull the fender and front apart so you can get any under hood parts you need while you're at it.

Originally Posted By GM_Guy
Consider having only liability a good thing. Up here, insurance would write that off in a heartbeat as cost to repair > value of car + age of car (and plop a salvage title on it so you can't just fix it up if you buy it back, you'd need to go through full set of inspections). So dig into it and have a go at it, you got nothing to lose except the cost of junkyard parts


Unless it has frame damage they don't put salvage title on it so that saves some work. You're pretty much screwed when they do because of you miss any steps in the process of putting it back on the road they don't want liability of changing it back to fit.

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#4098824 - 02/24/21 08:54 AM Re: Accident damage assessment [Re: YoungP71dude]
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Registered: 11/23/17
Posts: 52
Loc: Northeast
Glad to hear it worked out! These cars are f'n indestructible.

Hope you and your dad aren't too sore. Might be a good time to check in with a chiro, spinal alignment effects more than people realize.
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