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#4088780 - 12/24/20 07:39 PM Re: Official - "What's it worth?" [Re: Rik]
Dmblanch Offline
Member

Registered: 11/13/19
Posts: 170
Loc: Utah
Originally Posted By Rik
Hi All! I am looking to join the club of CV owners. I saw this one on fb marketplace.. seems cheap, what should I look for? Any tricks/tips

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/360776644927527

THANKS!


I buy and flip P71's like this all the time. It is priced about what I'd expect for its age, condition, and mileage. I won't pay more than $2000 for any P71 even with less than 100k on the od because I don't have to. When I find so many under that bar, why pay more? My current keeper is a white 2008 sheriffs car with perfect paint and interior, got it with new Firestone firehawk pvs's for $1400 total.

It's a very standard patrol P71 (no cruise control) in decent shape. What I look for when buying these ex cop P71's at auction are the following.
1) as little paint peel as possible, if it has any peel, it's gotta be a white car. Why white? Because I have a method of rattle-can paint patching that looks really good with oxford/performance white, but any other color I can't match it very well. I'm looking at spending $0 on these above and beyond washing and cleaning, if I can. Yours has a little peel on the back.
2) as little driver's seat ripping as possible. This one looks pretty good.
3) No mechanical issues. Anything beyond just wheel bearings and I'm out, not because it's a serious problem but because there are always others out there with NO issues you can buy. I only buy 2003 and up so I've never had a manifold problem.
4) Under 100k miles. It's exponentially easier to resell an old P71 with 98k miles than one with 104k miles. Even though these will run forever, you can't get any money out of them when they have 150K+ miles. At 125K, I'd probably pass on this car for flipping purposes.
5) How fogged are the headlights? Yours look yellowed. Cost you $45 for a new set.
6) How much police gear is still in it? No console - minus, no prisoner seat - plus. Trunk pack? Missing hubcap - minus. Etc. Lots of goodies can sweeten the deal
7) Tires? this can make or break a deal for me. It's possible to buy this ex-patrol P71's with brand new firestones or goodyear eagles because agency will often switch them right before surplusing them, but its equally easy to get them with shot-out tires. Where I'm from you need two sets, down in Texas not so much.

Overall, this would be a good buy at about $1500 if you need a car to keep and drive.
_________________________
1) 2002 White P71 - UT Training vehicle w/bad paint, 89K miles, bought $2000.
2) 2003 B&W P71 - UT Patrol car w/bad paint, 74K miles, bought $976.
3) 2005 White P71 - immaculate WA Fire Chief vehicle, 54K miles, bought w/siren & lights intact $2025.
4) 2011 Black P7B - CA Sheriff vehicle, 79K miles, bought $2000, rented as a movie prop.
5) 2008 White P71 - Idaho sheriff vehicle, 95k miles, outfitted as prop vehicle, bought $1400, prop rental.
6) 2005 White P71 - UT University police, 74k miles, bought $2100.
7) 2004 Silver P71 - UT Fire Dept., 104K miles, bought $2009.
8) 2004 Toreador Red LX Sport - 111K, want ad find $2500.
9) 2010 White P7B SAP - UT Police, 106K, bought $2450.
10) 2010 White P7B SAP - UT Police, 104K, bought $2125, sister to #9.

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#4088820 - 12/25/20 12:20 AM Re: Official - "What's it worth?" [Re: Dmblanch]
f00barbob Offline
Member

Registered: 09/11/12
Posts: 150
Loc: near Houston, Texas
Note that I don't use facebook, and don't have an account.

"Driven 123,456 miles" - if that's accurate, that's awesome... though is a bit on the high side for a service car of unknown operational history.

Pictures don't show the seatbelt hole in the driver seat (which is where tearing started in both my '00 and my current '04)

Also need to patch/plug mounting holes for lights, antennae to prevent water from getting into places it shouldn't be.

Headlights are also badly oxidized... inhibits night visibility.

Also no mention of idle hours that I see, which is somewhat relevant to assessing its value.
_________________________
'04 P74; purchased in Summer '12 with 12K miles. Dual exhaust and stabilizer bars from a Marauder. Paint scheme is white-primer-rust. ~111,000K miles. I intend to keep this car for a very long time smile

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#4088926 - 12/25/20 06:30 PM Re: Official - "What's it worth?" [Re: a_d_a_m]
lse4me Offline
Stranger

Registered: 12/22/20
Posts: 6
Loc: GA
Thanks for the response. I'm totally flattered! That IS the actual car, the actual factory sticker, and what she looks like. I bought it off the proverbial "little ol' lady" 3 years ago with 95K miles but perfect condition, and any car I drive has to look at least this good. Just took those shots a couple days ago for listing purposes. She's sitting in my driveway right now.

So...is this one a keeper, or should I let it go at that price? I've got interest but I'm having second thoughts. I love this car big time, but it's got some looming issues (V/C gaskets, manifold?). I spent a little too much getting into it and have put nearly 5K in it already. What other chucks of change might be awaiting me?

I've been reading up on LSE and HPP lore and would think, based on what I've read, that this one is somewhat of a rare breed?

(PS - sorry for the ad post, but it's the only way I have to share pics right now)
_________________________
2001 MGM LSE HPP
Tag "USV8RWD"

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#4089034 - 12/26/20 09:04 PM Re: Official - "What's it worth?" [Re: f00barbob]
Dmblanch Offline
Member

Registered: 11/13/19
Posts: 170
Loc: Utah
Originally Posted By f00barbob
Note that I don't use facebook, and don't have an account.

"Driven 123,456 miles" - if that's accurate, that's awesome... though is a bit on the high side for a service car of unknown operational history.

Pictures don't show the seatbelt hole in the driver seat (which is where tearing started in both my '00 and my current '04)

Also need to patch/plug mounting holes for lights, antennae to prevent water from getting into places it shouldn't be.

Headlights are also badly oxidized... inhibits night visibility.

Also no mention of idle hours that I see, which is somewhat relevant to assessing its value.


I hear you on the issues you mentioned and since nearly all P71's have some form of driver's seat rip/wear, it's more a matter of "how much" not "if".

I agree that idle hours are important and this 2009 should show them. Personally, I set a top end limit of about 3500 idle hours on Vics I buy. I frequently see newer Interceptors with 10,000. That said, the customers I sell these to never ever ask or check for engine hours. Right now I'm eyeballing two p71's with about 110K miles that have SUPER low idle hours (in 3 digits), but I know that only I will care, my eventual customer will not.

I tend not to worry at all about trunk roof holes needing patching. If they have exposed NMO antenna plugs, they can be capped with cheap plastic screw on caps that you can buy in bulk for pennies. Ditto actual drilled holes with gooped on silicon plugs. You can buy round antenna delete plugs in any size you need for pennies. Not worth worrying about.



I also want to be clear that what I'll pay for used CVPI does not equal what I'll sell them for. While I would want to pay only about $1500 for this car IF it had under 100K miles, nothing about it would scare me off of buying it in the condition I see it in. If I got it, I would:

  • put in new headlights $45
  • drop in a center console $75
  • plug or cap the holes <$20
  • work my peeling paint patch magic 'cause its white. >$30
  • buy the missing center cap $20
  • Thorough interior detailing and wax job $125


So with under $2000 spent, then I'd be looking to sell it for somewhere between $3500-$4500. And I'd get it too, because that's what I've sold five of the seven Vics I've owned for. But I don't buy them with 125k miles, so I can't do the math on that. I fear it wouldn't be nearly as good.

Last Vic I sold was a black 2011 with REALLY bad paint. Sold it to a millenial for asking price. The last two I've sold were to millenial girls, in fact. My perception is that retail prices are actually rising in my market.


Edited by Dmblanch (12/26/20 09:08 PM)
_________________________
1) 2002 White P71 - UT Training vehicle w/bad paint, 89K miles, bought $2000.
2) 2003 B&W P71 - UT Patrol car w/bad paint, 74K miles, bought $976.
3) 2005 White P71 - immaculate WA Fire Chief vehicle, 54K miles, bought w/siren & lights intact $2025.
4) 2011 Black P7B - CA Sheriff vehicle, 79K miles, bought $2000, rented as a movie prop.
5) 2008 White P71 - Idaho sheriff vehicle, 95k miles, outfitted as prop vehicle, bought $1400, prop rental.
6) 2005 White P71 - UT University police, 74k miles, bought $2100.
7) 2004 Silver P71 - UT Fire Dept., 104K miles, bought $2009.
8) 2004 Toreador Red LX Sport - 111K, want ad find $2500.
9) 2010 White P7B SAP - UT Police, 106K, bought $2450.
10) 2010 White P7B SAP - UT Police, 104K, bought $2125, sister to #9.

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#4102614 - 03/23/21 11:56 AM Re: What is my CV worth? [Re: The_Punisher]
Darronm2 Offline
n00b

Registered: 02/26/21
Posts: 11
Loc: Lancashire UK
2011 cvpi (ex Pennsylvania pd), all white, 104k miles, runs n rides great, Rear amber turns and repeaters (UK spec), front led lamps, good tyres, new battery
_________________________
2011 CVPI, 104k miles, UK lighting conversion & MVA cert
Remote central locking & trunk release
No extra goodies yet
Oh and well done Haynes Manuals, I never realised my p7B had TWO front left doors 🤣

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#4102622 - 03/23/21 12:11 PM Re: What is my CV worth? [Re: The_Punisher]
Dmblanch Offline
Member

Registered: 11/13/19
Posts: 170
Loc: Utah
Who knows what they go for in the UK?! But I'll bet you don't see many others on the road.
_________________________
1) 2002 White P71 - UT Training vehicle w/bad paint, 89K miles, bought $2000.
2) 2003 B&W P71 - UT Patrol car w/bad paint, 74K miles, bought $976.
3) 2005 White P71 - immaculate WA Fire Chief vehicle, 54K miles, bought w/siren & lights intact $2025.
4) 2011 Black P7B - CA Sheriff vehicle, 79K miles, bought $2000, rented as a movie prop.
5) 2008 White P71 - Idaho sheriff vehicle, 95k miles, outfitted as prop vehicle, bought $1400, prop rental.
6) 2005 White P71 - UT University police, 74k miles, bought $2100.
7) 2004 Silver P71 - UT Fire Dept., 104K miles, bought $2009.
8) 2004 Toreador Red LX Sport - 111K, want ad find $2500.
9) 2010 White P7B SAP - UT Police, 106K, bought $2450.
10) 2010 White P7B SAP - UT Police, 104K, bought $2125, sister to #9.

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#4102860 - 03/25/21 10:05 AM Re: What is my CV worth? [Re: Dmblanch]
Darronm2 Offline
n00b

Registered: 02/26/21
Posts: 11
Loc: Lancashire UK
I know there are a few over here, but Ive yet to see one on the road - its a nightmare getting them registered and past the IVA test to be legal on road.
_________________________
2011 CVPI, 104k miles, UK lighting conversion & MVA cert
Remote central locking & trunk release
No extra goodies yet
Oh and well done Haynes Manuals, I never realised my p7B had TWO front left doors 🤣

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#4102862 - 03/25/21 10:07 AM Re: What is my CV worth? [Re: The_Punisher]
Darronm2 Offline
n00b

Registered: 02/26/21
Posts: 11
Loc: Lancashire UK
Just found the idle hours counter.
Its 475 hours?
_________________________
2011 CVPI, 104k miles, UK lighting conversion & MVA cert
Remote central locking & trunk release
No extra goodies yet
Oh and well done Haynes Manuals, I never realised my p7B had TWO front left doors 🤣

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#4102866 - 03/25/21 10:24 AM Re: Official - "What's it worth?" [Re: Dmblanch]
Car_54 Offline
Member

Registered: 08/04/10
Posts: 260
Loc: SW,WA
Originally Posted By Dmblanch
[quote=f00barbob]

I hear you on the issues you mentioned and since nearly all P71's have some form of driver's seat rip/wear, it's more a matter of "how much" not "if".


I guess I got lucky. My seats were nearly perfect with only minor surface wear when I got it with 162K miles. I sold it late last year and the seats still looked good. It had the cloth that was really durable but not all that soft to the touch.
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~DJ~

2001 P71, Wedgewood blue 226.5K - SOLD

2002 Excursion XLT 2WD 7.3L 105K

1956 Ford Fairlane Town Sedan ; 31K

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#4102902 - 03/25/21 11:48 PM Re: Official - "What's it worth?" [Re: The_Punisher]
Dmblanch Offline
Member

Registered: 11/13/19
Posts: 170
Loc: Utah
I know the fabric you're talking about, my 2004 silver vic had that gray fabric inside. It was much rougher than the darker black/gray cloth found most of the time, but it was MUCH sturdier.
_________________________
1) 2002 White P71 - UT Training vehicle w/bad paint, 89K miles, bought $2000.
2) 2003 B&W P71 - UT Patrol car w/bad paint, 74K miles, bought $976.
3) 2005 White P71 - immaculate WA Fire Chief vehicle, 54K miles, bought w/siren & lights intact $2025.
4) 2011 Black P7B - CA Sheriff vehicle, 79K miles, bought $2000, rented as a movie prop.
5) 2008 White P71 - Idaho sheriff vehicle, 95k miles, outfitted as prop vehicle, bought $1400, prop rental.
6) 2005 White P71 - UT University police, 74k miles, bought $2100.
7) 2004 Silver P71 - UT Fire Dept., 104K miles, bought $2009.
8) 2004 Toreador Red LX Sport - 111K, want ad find $2500.
9) 2010 White P7B SAP - UT Police, 106K, bought $2450.
10) 2010 White P7B SAP - UT Police, 104K, bought $2125, sister to #9.

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