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#4124752 - 10/17/21 03:19 PM 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe
GooneyBird Offline
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Registered: 10/17/21
Posts: 30
Loc: The Netherlands
Hi all, new member here and new owner of a Crown Vic.



I've always wanted a Crown Vic ever since first laying eyes on one in the movies, but living in The Netherlands they're not exactly a dime a dozen. Hey, some people have Lamborghinis or Ferraris as their non-plus-ultra dream car, mine just happens to be a big ol' practical sedan that's built like a tank. Could be worse, right?



But that's enough about me. This is my car, and I've had it for a little over a week. It's a 2007 Crown Vic PI with a Romeo engine, 3.55 limited slip rear end, and a great big stonkin' spotlight on the A-pillar. Just the way I like them.
From my limited research I've found that this is an ex-Texas PD car, likely from Jefferson County or Clute, seeing as how having a dark blue cruiser is fairly rare. It also has an TXDOT inspection sticker on the windshield (expired in 2010.)

From Texas it made its way across the ocean to Germany, where it lived as an unplated parade car for a while, before the previous owner imported it from Germany to The Netherlands. The previous owner used it as a daily for a bit before parking it, at which point I swooped in and bought it. Was I looking for a different car? No, I've got an Opel Vectra which is just fine, but I couldn't resist. After a bit of haggling this big softie was all mine.

Like I said, I've had it for a little over a week, and I intend to fix up all the little things that are wrong with it, make it into a bit of a project. I don't think it ever got much love in its time as a parade car, and while the previous (Dutch) owner meant well, he wasn't much invested into the car. Mechanically its fully sound, but there are little things all over the car that need mending, and that's what I'm here to do.



So the plans:
- Fix the ABS light
- Get cruise control working. The PO installed a TC/MGM wheel but couldn't find a Ford dealership willing to turn it on in the computer.
- Fix the floppy spotlight
- Figure out what's going on with the radio, as it seems to have a mind of its own.
- General upkeep of the interior and all the trimmings.



Some of these things I've already tackled, but more on that in the next post. I'm trying to basically do a project per post, keeping this nice and organized.


Edited by GooneyBird (10/17/21 03:20 PM)
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#4124754 - 10/17/21 03:32 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Registered: 10/17/21
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Loc: The Netherlands
Alright, first up, the ABS light. Not only do I hate it when there's random lights flashing at me, but it's also a safety thing. This car is going to be my daily (Oh lords the fuel bills!! wink ), and since my wife is also going to be driving it it needs to be safe.



When I bought it the ABS light was on. A great haggling point, as the previous owner had no idea what it was or how to fix it. Before buying it I did my research, and came across a post on here stating a very small, but rather significant fact:

The ABS unit is a Bosch 5.3.

While this doesn't seem like much, it meant that instead of having to find someone who would want to repair an alien American vehicle, all I needed to do is find someone who would repair ABS modules, and tell them it was from a Ford Mondeo or a VW Passat or something mundane. Problem solved.



I removed the ABS module, carefully taped up all the connectors and mating surfaces, boxed it up and sent it off to Some Guy Somewhere From The Internet. (Aren't they the best?) In a world-shattering record time of 48 hours including shipping both ways (!) I got the fixed module back. Installing was, in the best Haynes-manual fashion, the reverse of removal, and lo and behold...



... no more ABS light! (And yes, I also switched the counter from US to metric to prevent having to do weird miles-per-liter calculations at the pump.)

Oh, and another thing I like to do whenever I buy a new vehicle (aside from titling and insuring it that is)...





...deep-clean the heck out of it! Also note the neighbor's Jag S-type looking all sullen as it's no longer the largest car on the block. :P
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#4124772 - 10/17/21 04:53 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Originally Posted By GooneyBird


...deep-clean the heck out of it! Also note the neighbor's Jag S-type looking all sullen as it's no longer the largest car on the block. :P

Hell yeah! Stick it to that Jag! laugh

welcome from New York where we also like our dark blue cruisers.


I've dealt with Some Guy Somewhere From the Internet before nad not had good experiences, though.


Edited by bluejay_32 (10/17/21 04:55 PM)
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#4124798 - 10/18/21 04:18 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Pull the mat and clean. Dust and muck gets underneath.
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#4124892 - 10/19/21 03:06 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: SocalSam]
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Registered: 10/17/21
Posts: 30
Loc: The Netherlands
Originally Posted By SocalSam
Pull the mat and clean. Dust and muck gets underneath.


Did that. It was dusty, but not horribly disgusting. Also nice to see a completely rust-free floor. (Top and bottom!)

When I got the car it came with a radio. One of those generic 1-din radios that's neither here nor there. I'm not much of an audiophile, so as long as it can make some noise and play sounds my phone makes when trying to navigate me somewhere I'm generally content.

The Crown Vic was a working vehicle, so I never expected much in the way of speaker quality, but I quickly noticed that they sounded really bad. Like, exceptionally bad. I chalked it up to Ford simply not installing the best of speakers and put it on the bottom of the fix-it list.

However, a few days ago I took the liberty to take out the radio while fixing something else (having the trunk popper always be active instead of only on the key), and noticed.... well... a giant mess behind the radio.



Apparently someone had hacked off most of the wires from the original Ford plug, to which they had butt-connector-crimped a set of their own wires, presumably leading to an aftermarket radio. Someone else then cut off THAT plug to the aftermarket radio, and crimped on his OWN radio harness, and incorrectly at that. Both rear speaker were wired together to the front right channel, front right was wired to one of the rear channels, and front left was MIA altogether.
Some people...

Since reusing the original Ford connector wasn't an option anymore, I got a set of ISO plug pigtails. The Crown Vic is a simple beast and there's no computer interface or CANbus or whatever going to the radio, just 4 sets of speaker wires, some power leads and a ground cable.



Here is the situation after I soldered (with an actual soldering iron!) on the ISO plugs. Compare that with the previous picture. I left the Ford connector in there as it holds a set of audio grounds (?), and a 12V hot-at-start lead to keep the radio alive during cranking. ISO has no provisions for that so I guess I'll just deal with a brief off-period of the radio as the car cranks. With the current 1-din standard radio that's not an issue, but I'm eventually planning to stick a 2-din Carplay-capable radio in there, and I don't know how much that thing likes restarting.



For now there's a 1-din radio from the great mighty stash of leftover stuff in there, as the radio that came with it was a bit junky. This radio was left over from the work van, as I stuck a nice Carplay-capable radio in there. Somewhere in the next six months I'm expecting the van to be swapped out for a new one as the lease ends, at which point I'll take the Sony 2-din that in that thing and stick it in the Ford.

Now that all the speakers are connected the way they should I found out that three out of four work. The driver's side front speaker is blown, so I'll have to source a replacement for that. Either I'll junkyard something out of another Ford (6x8 inch speakers are fairly common), or I'll go all Mr. Moneybags and swap out all of them for a nice aftermarket set. Not sure yet, like I said, I'm not much of an audiophile.





Also, it pays to do the research. Ford uses fairly non-standard wiring colors for their radio plug. Working that out in advance and figuring out what is what and goes where makes soldering on an ISO plug fairly straightforward. (Save for the fact that I don't have a portable soldering iron and had to lug out my desktop iron along with an extension chord...)
If anyone is planning to do the same, hit me up for above document. I've compiled a bunch of information and figured out what each radio wire does, and where it needs to go on an ISO plug.
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#4124922 - 10/19/21 10:36 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Wow, best n00b post in a long time! Welcome. Beautiful shots, nice intro.

Stick around. laugh
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#4125316 - 10/22/21 02:52 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: a_d_a_m]
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Registered: 10/17/21
Posts: 30
Loc: The Netherlands
Originally Posted By a_d_a_m
Wow, best n00b post in a long time! Welcome. Beautiful shots, nice intro.

Stick around. laugh


Thanks! And I plan on holding on to this car for a long time, so I'll be around.

So a couple of days ago the wife returned with the Crown Vic from an early evening errand run.

"Babe, that new car of yours is nice and all, but why didn't they put a light behind the headlight switch? That's, like, the one switch you need in the dark."
"...They didn't?"
"Nope. Fumbled around trying to find that darn thing for ages. Why they couldn't just put it on the sticky-outy thing like normal cars..." *goes off and mumbles something about American cars I dare not repeat here*

So I Googled, and quickly found out that:
a) there absolutely should be a light behind that, that
b) apparently always blows out on every car, and
c) is fairly common.
....
c1) at O'Reilly's, Autozone, and a whole host of other stores we don't have here.

Ah. Harumph. frown

More Google'ing ensued and it turned out that the bulb in question is a T5 Type B Neo-Wedge. Aside from sounding like something out of Akira it also turned out that the bulb was used in old pinball machines. And there was exactly one shop in Germany that had those bulbs in stock, and sold them for....well... I could fill up the big Ford about halfway and still have change from that amount of money.

Fortunately, I happen to have a whole host of LEDs kicking around (because I endurance-race 1:10 scale RC cars), and a soldering iron I'm not afraid to use. A warm-white 180 degrees 5mm LED was quickly sourced from the Stash o'Stuff, along with a fitting resistor for 12V. (My RC cars have an onboard 5V power supply, so some maths were required) If I can't have an incandescent bulb, I can at least approximate one with LEDs, right?

Today on my lunch break I popped out the headlight switch from the dash (seriously, I love this car. It's SO EASY to work on. My previous car required a half-disassembly of the dash to get to the bulb for the heater controls), and found a charred bulb holder along with a nearly black bulb. I snapped some reference pictures and unfurled the bulb from its holder. The LED was quickly soldered in, even if I had to move the resistor to the rear of the holder. Bench test!






(Don't worry, I covered this up in some shrink wrap after I confirmed I didn't snap anything off while wrapping and folding the legs.


It might look vaguely green-ish in this pic, but I can assure you the LED is a nice warm white. I know there's a green filter in front of it, but didn't want to take the risk of there being too much color difference between it and the rest of the dash....


... which there fortunately isn't. Also, my camera completely missed focus on that pic, but it's too cold to go out and snap another one so.... grin

All in all, a fun little project that made the car a little more livable for my wife, and cost nothing because I had all the bits kicking around.

Up next this weekend; replace the blown front speaker with one from the junkyard (keepin' it real here!), figure out why the front right window won't roll down all the way. (I'm guessing someone used bolts that were too long when replacing the window regulator), and blow out the EVAP system with compressed air to make fueling the car a whole lot easier.
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#4125324 - 10/22/21 03:37 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Registered: 04/28/19
Posts: 2795
Loc: Cleveland, OH
All in all, a fun little project that made the car a little more livable for my wife, and cost nothing because I had all the bits kicking around.

Best kind of project!
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1988 CVLX Formal Roof (Love Boat) POTM July 2019, Aug 2020, & Oct 2021, 58K
E-code lights w/ relays, LEDs w/ switchbacks, 15x8 Ansen slots w/ 255/60 BFG's, Kenwood stereo, various hacks.
This, of course, was merely the semi-delirious notion of a fever-patient, but I remember that it struck me at the time as being eminently practical and feasible.

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#4125636 - 10/25/21 08:55 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Registered: 10/17/21
Posts: 30
Loc: The Netherlands
Alright, did some things this weekend.

First up was why the car is slow to refuel. There are a LOT of threads here regarding that topic, and most seem to point towards the fuel vent solenoid being the issue, and that thing merely requiring a good clean, along with blowing some air back through the EVAP system under the tank.

Since it was mostly dry this weekend I felt comfortable crawling under the car, and messing with the system. The nuts came off the two captive bolts well, after a bit of soaking in some WD40, and I quickly had the solenoid off and apart. It was quite clean though.... Gave it a spritz of contact cleaner and compressed air regardless. I grabbed the air line, and blew air out the right hand hose (which seemed to just vent to outside air), and out the left hose into the tank. The last hose gave some resistance when blowing into it, but air was coming out of the tank according my dad who was perched at the opened fuel cap. Soooo.... all good?

Next job; the front right window wouldn't roll down all the way anymore. A small thing, but y'know, it's annoying. It'd only roll down halfway before coming to a slow stop. I figured the window regulator was on the fritz, but noticed it had been replaced at some point due to a missing trim panel behind the interior door handle. (If anyone has a spare, hit me up!) So I removed the door panel, which much to my relief, has exactly 0 clips that shatter, instead opting for reusable 7mm and T30 bolts. Go Ford! ff


Yep, someone has definitely been in here before. However, the window regulator seemed fine. When testing the window I noticed a wiring loom pulling tight as the window went down before going "POINK!* and stopping the glass.

A quick rummage around in the door found that the loom belonging to this plug was going THROUGH the glass track, instead of AROUND. As the glass came down it'd catch the loom, and stop. Ugh, Previous Owner, why are you like this!

Anyway,unplugged it, looped it around, and stuck it in place with some tie-wraps.

Done.

Also note the aftermarket speaker. The car came with a pair of these. The left one was blown, and I wasn't suspecting that someone had swapped these bad boys in, so I just bought a replacement Ford speaker at the local junkyard (rear Ford Ka-speakers apparently fit, who knew!) Ah well, temporary fix, and at least I'll get sound out of all 4, even if the front is now lopsided.

The left door panel came off just as easy as the right went back on. Seriously whoever designed these things is a GENIUS. They hang on their own giving you ample time to sort out the hardware, and the door handle latches into a little metal 'finger' so there's no faffing about with door rods or (like my previous car) trying to loop a cable around a tiny eyelet while holding the panel up. And I still love the fact that 0 clips got busted doing this.

Anyway, while the left panel was off, I snapped a few pics of the DDM. I plan on adding RKE at some point and wanted to know if the DDM could handle that.



The Internet (well, you guys, mostly. The information here is GOLD!) tells me that this should be the port for the antenna. If so, it should be a matter of finding an antenna + cable set, and code it in using Forscan. Right?

There's a Town Car in a local junkyard, would that car have the relevant hardware? And where would I find the antenna and cable to plug it in on that car?

Oh, remember the speaker I pulled out of the left door? It's quite dead, but...

...heck yeah it lights up!

Regardless, I have 0 use for blown speakers, so off to the trash it went. I'll get a decent set of 6x8s at some point, but for now I'm content just to have noise coming from the door again.

Oh, and a lot of people ask me if it'll even fit on a normal spot....

... can confirm the first 12 feet fit really well. Then there's 3 feet hanging out over the sidewalk, and the last foot sticks out into the road. But the first 12 feet fits very well indeed! biggrin
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#4125642 - 10/25/21 09:11 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Registered: 10/17/21
Posts: 30
Loc: The Netherlands

You can almost hear the turbo-diesel EU-spec Rangers going "Not one of us."

So I've been trying to find a Ford dealership willing to have a stab at turning on cruise control on the Big Vic, with little success. Most either hide beind "Ford won't allow us to do that." or "A Crown-what-now?"
Yeah. Fine. I'll take my money elsewhere then.
I called one I got a good referral to, and decided to change my approach.

*RingRing*
"Hi, Ford Broekhuis Harderwijk, how can I help?"
Hi. Gooney here. Question. Do you guys have Ford IDS on a laptop?
"...yes?"
And coupled to a VCM?
"We do. What are you trying to do?"
Excellent. I have a weird exotic Ford that needs some IDS time.

I was quickly patched through to the head repair bay guy, who apparently thought it;
a) was hilarious that someone would have a Crown Vic as a daily, and
b) was totally up for giving it a try. If only to see the thing in real life.

So I downloaded the instructions on what to do in IDS to enable cruise control, and set out this morning have the brain of the Big Vic poked at.

Upon connecting it quickly drew a small crowd, and we found that indeed IDS would see and read the Crown Vic. We enabled cruise control and Smart Unlock (because I am me, and I will absolutely lock my keys in the car at some point). The previous owner already added a (rather out of place-looking) Town Car-wheel with CC-buttons, so on the way back....

.... awww yisss! That light has literally never been on in this car.

When I bought the car the previous owner (who has had it for nearly 4 years) told me that he could never find someone to enable cruise control on it, nor could he find someone to repair the ABS module.

Within a month of owning the Big Vic I have fixed both.

Me: 1, PO:0

And I think it's worth repeating; the DIY information on the Panthers is so unbelievably well-documented. Seeing all of that spread out here (and in other places) is one of the factors that made me brave enough to buy this car. So thank you for that. Truly, thank you, kind people of the internet.
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#4125644 - 10/25/21 09:15 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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6x8 speakers are pretty universal in late Fords. I still have a pair that I took out of my Ranger back in 2003 I'll send ya for the price of postage. Why did I save them? Might come in handy some day!

Your door-panel service is the envy of all Box owners. It's about a half-hour job to get one panel off, and another half-hour to get it back on, assuming you can find all 20 of the screws you took out.

Enjoy your weird exotic Ford!
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1988 CVLX Formal Roof (Love Boat) POTM July 2019, Aug 2020, & Oct 2021, 58K
E-code lights w/ relays, LEDs w/ switchbacks, 15x8 Ansen slots w/ 255/60 BFG's, Kenwood stereo, various hacks.
This, of course, was merely the semi-delirious notion of a fever-patient, but I remember that it struck me at the time as being eminently practical and feasible.

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#4125648 - 10/25/21 09:42 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Registered: 03/30/13
Posts: 3164
Loc: SFV, Calif.
RKE can be added to DDM. Or, go to junkyard and find an LX or MGM DDM which will have RFE already programmed in. 2006 is not wired for trunk release. While at the junkyard, snag the DDM connectors from the LX. You will notice a purple with yellow wire that is not present in the 2006 CVPI DDM connector. Note the pin location and move pin over. Splice that wire to the purple with yellow wire in the trunk release button and you get remote trunk release. I did this with 2008 and it worked fine.

Too bad you are not local. I would trade a vinyl charcoal black steering wheel for your LTC. Steering wheels are easy to remove. Don't use a puller. Put a few drops of power steering fluid on the hub and let soak for a few minutes. Pulls easily by hand. Anyways, if your new head unit will accept steering control input, you can add a wire to to the clock spring connector to enable the controls.

If you are still in the USA, think about adding Autolamps.

https://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4123414#Post4123414
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#4125688 - 10/25/21 11:26 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: SocalSam]
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Registered: 10/17/21
Posts: 30
Loc: The Netherlands
Originally Posted By Old_Guy_Stu
6x8 speakers are pretty universal in late Fords. I still have a pair that I took out of my Ranger back in 2003 I'll send ya for the price of postage. Why did I save them? Might come in handy some day!

Your door-panel service is the envy of all Box owners. It's about a half-hour job to get one panel off, and another half-hour to get it back on, assuming you can find all 20 of the screws you took out.

Enjoy your weird exotic Ford!


Hey, you never know when you'll need stuff. What kind of speakers are we talking about here? Because I've got a spare Ford speaker from the junkyard, but would like to get a decent (and matching) set of front speakers in there at some point.

Also, be glad that even on the box-Panthers it's still all bolts. On my previous car the panel was held on with breakable plastic clips that would either snap in half (the good option) or snap the panel behind it when pulling on it (the bad option).


Originally Posted By SocalSam
RKE can be added to DDM. Or, go to junkyard and find an LX or MGM DDM which will have RFE already programmed in. 2006 is not wired for trunk release. While at the junkyard, snag the DDM connectors from the LX. You will notice a purple with yellow wire that is not present in the 2006 CVPI DDM connector. Note the pin location and move pin over. Splice that wire to the purple with yellow wire in the trunk release button and you get remote trunk release. I did this with 2008 and it worked fine.

Too bad you are not local. I would trade a vinyl charcoal black steering wheel for your LTC. Steering wheels are easy to remove. Don't use a puller. Put a few drops of power steering fluid on the hub and let soak for a few minutes. Pulls easily by hand. Anyways, if your new head unit will accept steering control input, you can add a wire to to the clock spring connector to enable the controls.

If you are still in the USA, think about adding Autolamps.

https://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4123414#Post4123414


Yeah, I'm very much not local. laugh And haven't been to the US in at least four years. Was planning to go last year, but then The Big Event happened and all non-essential travel got cancelled.

So let me get this straight, so I know what to get from the junkyard:
- Cable set that plugs into the right hand side of the DDM
- Antenna unit to plug into the end of that cable set (See pic HERE)
- Extra set of either plug going TO the DDM so I can usa a pin to wire in trunk release to my existing DDM plug. (LHS plug or bottom plug?)

Is that correct?

Are the DDMs in Town Cars the same? Can I use the antenna and cable from an LTC or do they need to come from a CV/GMQ? Because I know where to find a trashed LTC, but a CV/GMQ is a little more difficult.

Along with a set of remote fobs and a Forscan-capable adapter of course, but those can be snagged from eBay/Amazon, from the comfort of my own chair.
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#4125722 - 10/25/21 01:20 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Registered: 03/30/13
Posts: 3164
Loc: SFV, Calif.
I did not have to deal with antenna as 08 has TPMS so DDM is already wired to the antenna. IIRC, antenna is located in the passenger C-pillar. It should not matter if the antenna is installed in the door which would simplify wiring. Antenna should be the same.

Not sure about DDM. Should be the same. Grab all DDM connectors from LTC as source for pins to install in your connector. Look for purple with yellow stripe wire. That pin and wire will be missing on your connector. I made a thread about RKE with photos a while back but can't find it now.


Edited by SocalSam (10/25/21 01:29 PM)
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2004 CV LX Sport #2, 121,000 miles -- Current
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#4125730 - 10/25/21 01:57 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Registered: 03/30/13
Posts: 3164
Loc: SFV, Calif.
Found RKE info. Note position of purple with yellow strip wire in gray connector and splice to door trunk release button. There is also some antenna info.

https://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3281442
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#4125802 - 10/26/21 02:14 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Registered: 08/28/16
Posts: 10223
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Originally Posted By GooneyBird
Yep, someone has definitely been in here before. However, the window regulator seemed fine. When testing the window I noticed a wiring loom pulling tight as the window went down before going "POINK!* and stopping the glass.

A quick rummage around in the door found that the loom belonging to this plug was going THROUGH the glass track, instead of AROUND. As the glass came down it'd catch the loom, and stop. Ugh, Previous Owner, why are you like this!

I did that when I was wiring in my passenger seat. Course I figured it out before I put it back together.


Edited by bluejay_32 (10/26/21 02:14 AM)
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#4126250 - 10/28/21 11:11 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: SocalSam]
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Originally Posted By SocalSam
Found RKE info. Note position of purple with yellow strip wire in gray connector and splice to door trunk release button. There is also some antenna info.

https://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3281442


Thanks! That makes the hunt for what I need a lot easier. smile

Next time I've got time to swing by the American car-yard I'll grab the things I need. The TC there is balanced rather precariously on top of something, so I'd rather get it all in one swoop than having to piece it together over several trips.
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#4126896 - 11/04/21 02:03 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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If you ever feel like you have no idea what you’re doing at your job, take into consideration the following:



Three junior techs at the local alignment shop were scratching their heads about why there are no alignment values for the rear wheels of a Crown Vic. After a little while I took pity on them and invited them to look under the car and explain to me how they were planning to adjust anything in case they’d actually find the relevant values.

Much hilarity ensued.

All’s well that ends well though. The Vic got aligned, many selfies were taken with the car, and I got a nice discount on the alignment. I’m not complaining.
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#4126928 - 11/04/21 10:45 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Originally Posted By GooneyBird


Hey, you never know when you'll need stuff. What kind of speakers are we talking about here? Because I've got a spare Ford speaker from the junkyard, but would like to get a decent (and matching) set of front speakers in there at some point.


They're Ford factory speakers. I took 'em out after about a month, back in 2003. I'll double check to make sure they're 6x8 and not 5x7. Honestly, aftermarket speakers are a lot better, unless you're doing a 100-point concours restoration.


Edited by Old_Guy_Stu (11/04/21 10:46 PM)
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#4127400 - 11/10/21 03:02 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
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Originally Posted By Old_Guy_Stu

They're Ford factory speakers. I took 'em out after about a month, back in 2003. I'll double check to make sure they're 6x8 and not 5x7. Honestly, aftermarket speakers are a lot better, unless you're doing a 100-point concours restoration.


Thanks for looking. I've got a decently matched set in there right now, might go for 4 of the same aftermarket speakers at some point.

Also, UGH! Junkyards right now are frustrating. There's a junkyard nearby that deals in American cars, which this being Europe means it's decked out like a '50s diner, with a pink limo on top of the administrative building alongside a bad fiberglass Elvis. Anyway, since COVID is flaring up again here, it's operating under different guidelines. There are no people allowed on the yard itself, and you have to call ahead to reserve a part. I've had a videochat with one of the employees where he's shown me that there's an '06 LTC there with all the bits I need to install RKE on my Vic, but they haven't got the time to remove the parts... They're so backed up with assignments like this they just don't have the manpower for small stuff like this.

So now I have to wait, and I'm not good at waiting. biggrin
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#4129176 - 12/01/21 10:51 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Haven't posted an update on the Crown Vic in a while. I'd been feeling under the weather for a bit, somehow getting the first head cold I've had in two years and that just sapped the energy right out of me. Plus, with the weather turning from the nice-fall to the rainy-and-miserable-fall I haven't felt like going outside and turning wrenches on the car.



However, parts kept rolling in. First and foremost, a center console. With the Crown Vic being an ex-cop car there's no center console between the seats. It came with one stuffed in the trunk, but that was...well.. not all that great. Very utilitarian, and mostly for hanging radios off of.

Doing a bit of research told me that Crown Vics fit Jeep consoles really well, and that there are a couple of companies doing consoles for Wranglers and such that are popular upgrades for Vic owners. However, with The Big Event being far from over, getting one was difficult. The factory website told me they were all out of stock, Amazon had none, and even the other random Far-East resellers showed no stock.
That is, until I emailed a local Jeep-parts place on a whim. They had a couple, and at a very decent price too. Thank you Jeepparts.nl!
I reused the mounting bracket from the cop console, and in she went. Fits really well, and looks almost factory. Also, it's DEEP. So much room for misc junk! 😃



Another much-desired retrofit (by my wife, mainly) is Remote Keyless Entry. My car (which we've decided to name Burt, btw), is an '07, so some parts were required. Mainly, the antenna plus associated wiring, and a spare Driver Door Module-plug, as you need to add a pin to make it all work. A local junkyard had an '05 Lincoln Town Car, but with 'rona wasn't allowing anyone on to their yard. One month later, and he calls me up to say I have to buy the entire door wiring loom, and that he's cut the antenna off. Mind you, this isn't a bad thing, as it allows me to make my own pigtail harness to place the antenna in a good spot, plus I've now got a MILLION pins and plugs as spare for when I decide to add other stuff down the road.



Anyway, some soldering later, and I've got an antenna ready to go. All I needed to do was pull the door panel off, stick the antenna in, wire up the DDM, and program the whole thing.

And then it started raining, and didn't stop raining for like a week or two. Ugh...

Fortunately we've got an underground car park nearby, so I 'borrowed' one of their spots and set to work. Getting the door panel off is easy (smack it real good) , getting it back on is the hard part (smack it ever so slightly, but still real good). Some faffing about later, and I've got it all in the door. Antenna stuck somewhere out of the way, DDM pinned correctly, wiring tied away. No pictures of this because it was cold as heck, and some Karen apparently called the supervisor so I had to hurry a bit.



Back home I recoded the DDM (which involves doing complicated stuff and converting from decimal to binary and back again. I could not have done it without the guides on here! Thanks!), and lo! It all worked! I got some cheapie remote fobs off of eBay, and to my surprise the junkyard guy included the fob from the Town Car when I picked up the door harness. All three programmed without a problem, and everything works. And yes, that includes the 'Honk-Like-Mad'-button, which I absolutely will not abuse at inappropriate times. xD

Also, I managed to squeeze 10L/100km (1 op 10, or 23.5MPG) out of it. Which with current fuel prices is not bad at all. Makes it almost economical to run.


Edited by GooneyBird (12/01/21 10:58 AM)
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#4129180 - 12/01/21 11:07 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Great job with RKE install! Now you have the option of not adding TPMS, lol.

Eye spy Medium Dark Flint steering wheel in a Charcoal Black interior. One of these would be the ticket.



Edited by SocalSam (12/01/21 11:09 AM)
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#4129190 - 12/01/21 12:30 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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You sir, have a lot of steering wheels. grin

The color difference is actually far less than the photo shows. It's quite close to the color of the seats. It's more the random wood trim that irks me. (To the point where I might wrap the center strip in something similar)
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#4129202 - 12/01/21 02:43 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Crap, I'll be your huckleberry on one of those wood trimmed TC wheels with the full SWC's! My sport has Medium light stone interior, which I think is one of those two on the right and center top row.

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#4130770 - 12/19/21 08:02 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Remember where I said earlier that whomever converted my CVPI back to civilian duty actually did quite a neat job? I'd like to retract that statement, or at the very least append to it.

The lower power point/cigarette lighter didn't work, nor did the upper lighter in the ashtray. A few days ago I took the thing apart to see why not, and it turned out that the wiring behind there was a mess with crimp connectors all over the place. I untangled it, and found at least I could make the top cig lighter work again with the correct plug. The lower one was MIA... When behind there I noticed a couple of cut wires coming out of the engine/underhood loom in the pax kickpanel area. I did a probe, and found that the pink one provided me with switched 12V. I soldered on an extension, ran that over to the power point and found.... I did not have the correct connector. So close!

In my Stash O'Stuff I have 2 USB-to-12V adapters. The kind that mount in the dash. So I took the 12V port out, and stuck one of those in, figuring if I'd need to start doing my own wiring I might as well wire in something I'd actually use. Let's be honest here, all we ever use the 12V ports for anyway are to charge up 5V USB gadgets. Wired it to the pink wire, ran a ground to the factory ground point in the pax kick panel area, and we're all good.

Today I figured I'd run a 12V to the trunk area too. I've since acquired the wiring diagrams and saw that the pink 12V cable should extend down the side of the vehicle to the trunk, giving me a convenient point to build upon. From aformentioned Stash O'Stuff came a dual 12V+5V USB extender thing, that I figured I'd hardwire into the switched 12V power in the trunk for a cooler or something nice. So I climbed into the trunk, armed with a multimeter and a flashlight, and found...

..nothing..

All the PI-spec wires to the trunk-area have been cut, aside from the large always-hot 12V point on the right side. Which, of course, I could tap into, but I'd like it to be switched. Which is now not an option anymore. Damnit!

Of course, all the 'normal' stuff is present, and all the lights work, but it looks like they cut the fun stuff when they converted it back. I tried following the pink wire to the trunk from the front, but it seems to be cut at the plug before it even enters the wiring conduit past the B-pillar.

Guess I'll have to source a bunch of wire, and run a new one myself... Is there a convenient way to get to the trunk? Up past the rear seat?
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#4131376 - 12/28/21 04:11 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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More updates!

Above I said I found nothing while looking for a switched 12V going to the trunk. Well... I didn't look hard enough. In the wire conduit running on the pax side going to the trunk I found a cut pink wire that gave me a good 12V. I crimped on a new length of wire, ran that to the trunk, and stuck that in...


.. this. A 3D-printed box containing a 12V-to-USB-plug from the spares box (the same as I mounted in the dash), and the old cigarette lighter plug from the dash.



I know, don't use those screw-in connectors, but I don't like using crimp connectors and I really need to invest in a mobile soldering iron. It works, and I designed a little nub for the terminal block to hang from, so it's not flapping about.

The box is screwed into the body (and gets its ground from one of the screws) using two already-existing holes. I hate drilling holes in a body, but if they're already there we might as well make use of them.



One day, future generations will look at this picture and wonder why I'm driving around with a supply of medical mouth masks in the trunk.... one day....

Anyway, if any of you guys want that same box and lid, and have a 3D-printer, send me a PM and I'll give you the .stl-files.
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#4131416 - 12/28/21 10:51 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Originally Posted By GooneyBird
Haven't posted an update on the Crown Vic in a while. I'd been feeling under the weather for a bit, somehow getting the first head cold I've had in two years and that just sapped the energy right out of me. Plus, with the weather turning from the nice-fall to the rainy-and-miserable-fall I haven't felt like going outside and turning wrenches on the car.



However, parts kept rolling in. First and foremost, a center console. With the Crown Vic being an ex-cop car there's no center console between the seats. It came with one stuffed in the trunk, but that was...well.. not all that great. Very utilitarian, and mostly for hanging radios off of.

Doing a bit of research told me that Crown Vics fit Jeep consoles really well, and that there are a couple of companies doing consoles for Wranglers and such that are popular upgrades for Vic owners. However, with The Big Event being far from over, getting one was difficult. The factory website told me they were all out of stock, Amazon had none, and even the other random Far-East resellers showed no stock.
That is, until I emailed a local Jeep-parts place on a whim. They had a couple, and at a very decent price too. Thank you Jeepparts.nl!
I reused the mounting bracket from the cop console, and in she went. Fits really well, and looks almost factory. Also, it's DEEP. So much room for misc junk! 😃



Another much-desired retrofit (by my wife, mainly) is Remote Keyless Entry. My car (which we've decided to name Burt, btw), is an '07, so some parts were required. Mainly, the antenna plus associated wiring, and a spare Driver Door Module-plug, as you need to add a pin to make it all work. A local junkyard had an '05 Lincoln Town Car, but with 'rona wasn't allowing anyone on to their yard. One month later, and he calls me up to say I have to buy the entire door wiring loom, and that he's cut the antenna off. Mind you, this isn't a bad thing, as it allows me to make my own pigtail harness to place the antenna in a good spot, plus I've now got a MILLION pins and plugs as spare for when I decide to add other stuff down the road.



Anyway, some soldering later, and I've got an antenna ready to go. All I needed to do was pull the door panel off, stick the antenna in, wire up the DDM, and program the whole thing.

And then it started raining, and didn't stop raining for like a week or two. Ugh...

Fortunately we've got an underground car park nearby, so I 'borrowed' one of their spots and set to work. Getting the door panel off is easy (smack it real good) , getting it back on is the hard part (smack it ever so slightly, but still real good). Some faffing about later, and I've got it all in the door. Antenna stuck somewhere out of the way, DDM pinned correctly, wiring tied away. No pictures of this because it was cold as heck, and some Karen apparently called the supervisor so I had to hurry a bit.



Back home I recoded the DDM (which involves doing complicated stuff and converting from decimal to binary and back again. I could not have done it without the guides on here! Thanks!), and lo! It all worked! I got some cheapie remote fobs off of eBay, and to my surprise the junkyard guy included the fob from the Town Car when I picked up the door harness. All three programmed without a problem, and everything works. And yes, that includes the 'Honk-Like-Mad'-button, which I absolutely will not abuse at inappropriate times. xD

Also, I managed to squeeze 10L/100km (1 op 10, or 23.5MPG) out of it. Which with current fuel prices is not bad at all. Makes it almost economical to run.


I've had my driver door panel off countless times fixing stuff and installing options. The trick with installing panel is to remove the handle first so you do not have to align the handle to the latch. Makes installing the panel easy.

I just got into Forscan myself. None of the youtube videos I looked at tinkered with As Built format. Used one of the many Hex to Binary converters to finish configuring my Message Center instrument cluster. If you have not seen it, google search "Forscan Panther spreadsheet" for more options.

And another (unsolicited) tip... Fantastic you got the complete door harness. Pins are very easy to extract from the connector. Use a bamboo kabob stick to release the pin. Works every time.


Edited by SocalSam (12/28/21 10:53 PM)
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#4131418 - 12/28/21 10:55 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Photos of Crown Vics cruising in European cities are always welcome.
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#4131482 - 12/29/21 07:53 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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You’ve got Grand Marquis side marker lights.

And is that a Dickey’s BBQ cup.. lmao laugh


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#4131674 - 12/31/21 11:05 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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What a great build/project. It’s got to be awesome having a unique but recognizable car in a place almost no one else has one. So cool.
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#4131744 - 01/02/22 06:33 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: SocalSam]
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Originally Posted By SocalSam
I've had my driver door panel off countless times fixing stuff and installing options. The trick with installing panel is to remove the handle first so you do not have to align the handle to the latch. Makes installing the panel easy.

I just got into Forscan myself. None of the youtube videos I looked at tinkered with As Built format. Used one of the many Hex to Binary converters to finish configuring my Message Center instrument cluster. If you have not seen it, google search "Forscan Panther spreadsheet" for more options.

And another (unsolicited) tip... Fantastic you got the complete door harness. Pins are very easy to extract from the connector. Use a bamboo kabob stick to release the pin. Works every time.


Forscan is a great tool. I make it a point to get the proper diagnostic software for any vehicle I own. When I had my previous car (an Opel Vectra C) I got Opcom, for my bike I've got GS911, and now Forscan for the Crown Vic. Just resetting one service light on the BMW GS made the adapter pay for itself, and that's not counting the fact that I can do the same for my wife's BMW F700GS, or my dad's K1200RS.
..
But that's motorcycle stuff, and we're here for the Panthers. smile

And yes, I'm very happy with the whole harness. I plan on sticking a 2-Din radio in there with proper steering wheel control support, and hope to reuse some of those pins to complete the plug underneath the column so the radio remote buttons on the wheel continue to the radio.

Originally Posted By hot__box
You’ve got Grand Marquis side marker lights.

And is that a Dickey’s BBQ cup.. lmao laugh


Welcome aboard.


Actually, I think they're Marauder lights. Not sure though..

Fun fact: side repeaters are required here by law, and the side marker light is being used as a side repeater along with the blinking turn indicator on the front.

Also, one of my reverse lights is not a white bulb but a red bulb, and it's hooked up to a separate switch on the dash to provide a rear fog light, another requirement to pass road legality inspections. I'll get some pics of that too.

And yes, that is a Dicky's cup. A souvenir from our last trip to the US. smile

Originally Posted By Traffic22
What a great build/project. It’s got to be awesome having a unique but recognizable car in a place almost no one else has one. So cool.


The reactions I get are great. No-one has a clue about what a Ford Crown Victoria is when I tell them, but then I just say that I've got that one generic police car from every Hollywood movie ever, and they just go "Oh those!"

Getting it insured was fun though. Not a single insurer had the option online to select a "Crown Victoria" under "Ford", so to get a quote I had to call them and explain just what the hell I just bought. At my current insurance it had to be added to the system manually, which means that on paper I now have a...
*pulls out insurance papers*
..
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Make: Ford USA
Model: Crown Victoria
Type: Police Interceptor
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Normally it would say something like
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Make: Opel
Model: Vectra C
Type: Z18XER GTS
------------------------

so not having an engine code or whatever on there as a type is sure to freak out some people.

I got checked for papers and alcohol when driving home from the inlaws over Christmas. This is normal, and something they do just about every Christmas. The cop took one look at my papers, and then was far more interested in the Crown Vic, asking me if the spotlight still worked (yes), if it had any sirens or lights (nope, and even if it did I wouldn't be telling him), and if I thought it would outrun his cop car. (Probably...)

Originally Posted By SocalSam
Photos of Crown Vics cruising in European cities are always welcome.


I have so many pictures of the Crown Vic simply Just Not Fitting In.


I mean, in front it's fine, but in the back...


... yeah, no.


Let's just say I don't really lose it much on parking lots.


Narrow streets are a challenge though... The right wheels are right up against the curb, and it still sticks out. The Suzuki Swift to the rear is completely overshadowed.


And here's a snapshot of it with my old car, aformentioned Opel Vectra C GTS. Great car, but...mostly bland to drive... and a fragile (to put it mildly) electrical system. CANbus + biodegradable wiring and plugs = you're gonna have a bad time.
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#4131788 - 01/02/22 12:06 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Those cheeky Americans are melting the planet again, lol.

Originally Posted By GooneyBird
...
Originally Posted By SocalSam
Photos of Crown Vics cruising in European cities are always welcome.


I have so many pictures of the Crown Vic simply Just Not Fitting In.


I mean, in front it's fine, but in the back...


... yeah, no.


Let's just say I don't really lose it much on parking lots.


Narrow streets are a challenge though... The right wheels are right up against the curb, and it still sticks out. The Suzuki Swift to the rear is completely overshadowed.


And here's a snapshot of it with my old car, aformentioned Opel Vectra C GTS. Great car, but...mostly bland to drive... and a fragile (to put it mildly) electrical system. CANbus + biodegradable wiring and plugs = you're gonna have a bad time.
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#4131816 - 01/02/22 04:27 PM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Originally Posted By GooneyBird

Originally Posted By hot__box
You’ve got Grand Marquis side marker lights.

And is that a Dickey’s BBQ cup.. lmao laugh


Welcome aboard.


Actually, I think they're Marauder lights. Not sure though..

Fun fact: side repeaters are required here by law, and the side marker light is being used as a side repeater along with the blinking turn indicator on the front.

Also, one of my reverse lights is not a white bulb but a red bulb, and it's hooked up to a separate switch on the dash to provide a rear fog light, another requirement to pass road legality inspections. I'll get some pics of that too.

And yes, that is a Dicky's cup. A souvenir from our last trip to the US. smile


I’m not so sure the Marauder and Marquis side markers are any different. If anything, the Marauder markers may be factory tinted. Perhaps someone else will chime in.

& yeah, I was going to ask about that. So what’s the deal with the rear turn signals? I recall something about European vehicles requiring amber turn signals; and that several European imported 2004+ Crown Vics had to be switched to the ‘98-‘99(CVPI)/1998-2003Civillian) rear taillights because they had the amber cut out for the turn signals. I can’t remember if that was for all EU vehicles or only the United Kingdom?

And what the hell lol ..a red fog light on the back is required by law. Interesting.

Oh, and those pictures are cool.
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#4131858 - 01/03/22 05:49 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: hot__box]
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Originally Posted By hot__box
I’m not so sure the Marauder and Marquis side markers are any different. If anything, the Marauder markers may be factory tinted. Perhaps someone else will chime in.

& yeah, I was going to ask about that. So what’s the deal with the rear turn signals? I recall something about European vehicles requiring amber turn signals; and that several European imported 2004+ Crown Vics had to be switched to the ‘98-‘99(CVPI)/1998-2003Civillian) rear taillights because they had the amber cut out for the turn signals. I can’t remember if that was for all EU vehicles or only the United Kingdom?

And what the hell lol ..a red fog light on the back is required by law. Interesting.

Oh, and those pictures are cool.


Thanks. Have another one of the Crown Vic fitting into the car wash like it was meant to go in there. laugh


Like a glove

Anyway, yeah, turn indicators. By law, turn indicators are required to be amber or white in the front, and amber in the rear. Our cars do not have that option.

HOWEVER! If a car has been previously legally registered in another EU country, the Dutch DMV is required to honor that registration and register the car. This is to make sure that, say, a French car with yellow lights can legally drive in The Netherlands on Dutch plates.
Loophole though; German TUV allows for red turn indicators in the rear, which is why most American cars are first imported into Germany, taken through TUV, and then put on German plates, making it a completely legal German car, same as a new Audi or Mercedes bought locally.
That 'German' car (often with the German plates still in plastic in the rear set) is then taken to the Dutch RDW (our DMV)and its German papers are easily converted to a Dutch registration. I'm quite positive this is how my CVPI came here, as I still have the red turn indicators in the rear.

Front turn indicators are another fun topic though. Dutch (and German, AFAIK) law states that the side repeaters must be visible from 6 meters (20 foot) behind the front bumper, and 1 meter (3 feet) away from the side of the bumper. IE: exactly where another car would be when changing lanes. A Crown Vic does not have side repeaters, nor do the front turn indicators shine sideways far enough to be of any use.



What most American cars have is a cheap side-repeater stuck to the fender (or something), and they only stick that on for the yearly inspection. The rest of the time the wiring is tucked away safely and the lights are in a glove box or something.

What the person converting mine did was quite clever; they converted the side marker bulbs to flash with the turn indicators, while still functioning as side markers through a dual filament bulb. It meets the legal requirement without having an ugly aftermarket stick-on side repeater.

See a video HERE.

On the subject of a rear fog light; having one is a legal requirement here (and in other EU countries). So the Crown Vic had to have one. What most other importers do is stick a cheap bolt-on rear light under the bumper, wire it up to a switched 12V and a separate switch in the cabin, done. It's ugly, but it passes inspection.


Look under the left side of the bumper of this E150. There's a very aftermarket-looking rear light, that's the rear fog light. This is how most American imports have it.


Now compare to this. (Yes, I put the car in reverse just to illustrate that one of the two backup lights still work.) One of the white bulbs has been replaced with a red bulb, and wired to a separate switch on the dash. I looked, and unfortunately the original wiring has been cut so I can't restore the original configuration if I ever wanted to.
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#4132880 - 01/14/22 06:48 AM Re: 2007 CVPI - making the move from Texas to Europe [Re: GooneyBird]
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Brief update. When I bought the car it came with one heated mirror, on the right side. At some point in its life the right mirror got damaged, someone replaced it with a heated one and came to the conclusion that it would plug right in and work.

Well, after a lengthy debate with eBay’s global shipping program I’ve managed to procure a heated left mirror, balancing the whole thing out again.

Some wrenching later…



…and there’s a left heated mirror too. Btw; I still needed to replace the mirror cap when I took this picture. That has been done after cleaning it up a bit.
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