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#4123110 - 10/03/21 02:37 PM Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI
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I'd like to upgrade my TB to a 70mm BBK unit on my 2011 PI. I've searched here but there's lots of conflicting info. Just wondering what the correct part number is. I plan on getting the Marty tune as well.


Edited by Flyingtexan (10/03/21 02:42 PM)
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#4123196 - 10/04/21 01:24 PM Re: Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI [Re: Flyingtexan]
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Wow, not a soul on this forum has updated a throttle body, incredible. What am I missing here?
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#4123220 - 10/04/21 08:51 PM Re: Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI [Re: Flyingtexan]
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I did but mine is a 2004 so it has a cable. Should be a different part number from you.
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#4123240 - 10/04/21 10:37 PM Re: Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI [Re: Flyingtexan]
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Originally Posted By Flyingtexan
Wow, not a soul on this forum has updated a throttle body, incredible. What am I missing here?


Hello and welcome to the forum. beer1

First this is a forum and not facebook so you wont get an answer right away unless you are lucky .

Second, there is a search bar that lets you search topics that have been discussed a zillion times like this one .

Now to answer your question, the TB commonly used on your car would be comming off a 5.4 engine . There are no off the shelves tb that fits our plenum so a bit of modification is required such as matching the plenum's bolt pattern on the TB . It's a hit or miss depending how skilled you are but totally doable .

hope this helps smile
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#4123242 - 10/04/21 10:38 PM Re: Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI [Re: Hound]
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Originally Posted By Hound
I did but mine is a 2004 so it has a cable. Should be a different part number from you.


On a 04- it's a direct swap , on 05+ the plenum bolt pattern need to be duplicated on the 5.4 TB
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#4123248 - 10/04/21 10:47 PM Re: Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI [Re: Flyingtexan]
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Most people use the 75mm from the 5.4 3v, but you have to redrill to use it and it’s best paired with an aftermarket plenum. There’s a few running the 70mm from the Lincoln LS, but again you have to redrill
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#4123250 - 10/04/21 11:01 PM Re: Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI [Re: 2004_p71]
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Originally Posted By 2004_p71
Originally Posted By Flyingtexan
Wow, not a soul on this forum has updated a throttle body, incredible. What am I missing here?


Hello and welcome to the forum. beer1

First this is a forum and not facebook so you wont get an answer right away unless you are lucky .

Second, there is a search bar that lets you search topics that have been discussed a zillion times like this one .

Now to answer your question, the TB commonly used on your car would be comming off a 5.4 engine . There are no off the shelves tb that fits our plenum so a bit of modification is required such as matching the plenum's bolt pattern on the TB . It's a hit or miss depending how skilled you are but totally doable .

hope this helps smile

So any drive by wire 5.4 application will work? I'm using a Trick Flow upper plenum? How much modding/drilling will need to be done? Thanks for the reply btw.


Edited by Flyingtexan (10/04/21 11:02 PM)
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#4123254 - 10/04/21 11:09 PM Re: Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI [Re: Flyingtexan]
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I dont know if any TB will work but as far as I know the 2010 f 150 was the last year for the 5.4 so you may need to look for that .
The bolt pattern on the plenum is smaller than the one on the TB so you need to carefully drill the TB . I will try to see if I have still some laying around . I will take a few pictures of it .
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#4123264 - 10/05/21 12:40 AM Re: Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI [Re: 2004_p71]
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Originally Posted By 2004_p71
I dont know if any TB will work but as far as I know the 2010 f 150 was the last year for the 5.4 so you may need to look for that .
The bolt pattern on the plenum is smaller than the one on the TB so you need to carefully drill the TB . I will try to see if I have still some laying around . I will take a few pictures of it .


Thanks, I think I've read enough tonight to figure it out. The drilling is minor. However if I go with a BBK 1765 it should bolt right up.I think that what I'm reading.
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#4123268 - 10/05/21 04:54 AM Re: Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI [Re: Flyingtexan]
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Be aware that the Trick Flow plenum is for a mustang. You will have a few mods to do with the vacuum hoses. Not hard. There is a topic about it if you search but I just put it on and figured it out.

There again, I don't think it will be a direct bolt on because the bolt holes in the TB won't match the plenum. As 2004 pointed out, do a search and you will find some examples of the holes being redrilled. If you have a drill press it will be easy.


Edited by Hound (10/05/21 04:55 AM)
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#4123412 - 10/06/21 02:01 PM Re: Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI [Re: Flyingtexan]
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I did the redrill in my driveway, I've done it for the factory plenum, a Dragon plenum, accufab, and I did it for a GT500 throttle body and oval Dragon plenum. It's pretty easy, as a matter of fact I did a writeup on the Lincoln LS throttle body swap before here. The trick flow wont be any different tbh than one of those
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#4123628 - 10/07/21 05:51 PM Re: Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI [Re: Flyingtexan]
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So I'll share this learning point with y'all. I spoke with Marty via email regarding this. He explained that the stock 65mm is good to about 400HP so save your dough. The plenum shows some gains and is worth a closer look.
So, I sent the Trick Flow back to Summit and am opting to let ADTR work their magic on the stock plenum. Less money, not rerouting of lines etc.
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#4124222 - 10/13/21 12:13 AM Re: Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI [Re: Flyingtexan]
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#4124766 - 10/17/21 04:04 PM Re: Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI [Re: Flyingtexan]
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I have the BBK 1765 on my 08 grand marquis, and it bolts right up. I also recommend using the newer, rectangular style throttle position sensor (Part number is Motorcraft DY1164) based on watching this video. On my grand marquis, the original TPS with the BBK TB would throw a wrench light and put the car in limp mode when I'd hit WOT.
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#4125714 - 10/25/21 12:17 PM Re: Which BBK 70mm for my 2011 PI [Re: tc092]
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Originally Posted By tc092
I have the BBK 1765 on my 08 grand marquis, and it bolts right up. I also recommend using the newer, rectangular style throttle position sensor (Part number is Motorcraft DY1164) based on watching this video. On my grand marquis, the original TPS with the BBK TB would throw a wrench light and put the car in limp mode when I'd hit WOT.


So no drilling new holes etc? Just bolts right up?
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