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#4132952 - 01/14/22 05:17 PM Thinking of buying another vic...few questions?
DZG Offline
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Registered: 07/19/17
Posts: 7
Loc: Hudson Mi
Hey guys....i havent been here in a long time, i had a 99 P73 i traded back in 08 for a chevy colorado....

Anyways....my current DD is an 87 Ranger that i saved from death, i love it but im looking in the future to buy another vic to put on DD service, mainly for comfort lol. Im also considering 91-01 Explorers but im really leaning vic...even though 4wd would be nice.

So here we go...

1- I had a 99 before and i know the 4.6 cars get good mileage....but this time around im really thinking hard about a "box body". What kind of mileage did the EFI 302s get in these cars?

2- Id like to be able to tow my 6x10 single axle utility trailer (cant imagine its more then 7-800lbs max) with a 700lb or so quad on it. It would save me alot of fuel going up north riding over taking my F250 (i dont trust the ranger to go that far)....i should be fine towing that right?

3- Concerning towing.....if i was to get another 98+, what year did the tow capacites drop? Do you think even with the lighter towing cars i would be ok with it?

4- Whats some common issues with the box bodies?

Any input is greatly apperciated!


Edited by DZG (01/14/22 05:19 PM)

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#4132954 - 01/14/22 05:55 PM Re: Thinking of buying another vic...few questions? [Re: DZG]
a_d_a_m Offline

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1. I can only speak for my '91 Country Squire which has E7 heads from a junkyard Rustang, but I get around 17 city and 22 highway. YMMV.

2. Yes.

3. I think you'd be fine. 2006_P71 routinely hauled Panthers with Panthers from WNY to Detroit and back.


4. They're old, so certain parts are scarce or unobtainium.
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#4132958 - 01/14/22 07:04 PM Re: Thinking of buying another vic...few questions? [Re: DZG]
hot__box Offline

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I had a 2000 Mercury Mountaineer, same thing as the Explorer. Awesome little truck.. if you went that route, make sure it’s the 5.0 V8 because the 6 cylinder engines in those trucks were crap.

2. Boxes were rated to tow up to 5000 lbs; and even for question (3) with a 1998+ panther I’d say you were in the clear given that a 6x10 single axle utility trailer probably has a max GVWR of 2000 lbs or likely less. Be sure to have a quality frame mounted receiver and hitch.

4. Like Adam said, some parts such as interior trim pieces and panels are virtually unobtanium unless you can find what you’re looking for in a junkyard or something.

Also, be sure to check the TV grommet. If it’s come aloose and you drive with it disconnected you could burn up your transmission.

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#4132960 - 01/14/22 08:54 PM Re: Thinking of buying another vic...few questions? [Re: DZG]
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Registered: 07/01/11
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Loc: Evans, Georgia
1.) My '87 has always returned mixed numbers. When it was a LoPo setup, it usually managed 14-15 city and 19-21 highway. In HO configuration, it runs 11-14 city and 17-20 highway. However, I will note the '87 is a wagon with a 3.27 rear axle. A 2.73 or 3.08 sedan probably would do better.

2.) Like folks have said, you shouldn't have any issues towing something light like that. Just slap a transmission cooler on for good measure. The EFI Boxes and Aeros were good for up to 5000 LBS properly equipped. If you tow with a Box, they do offer cargo springs for sedans and wagons, which I would recommend. Standard rate springs will sag with heavy weight on them.

Not a Box, but you get the idea.


3.) Technically anything post 1998 is capped at 1500lbs, but many folks have routinely proven that otherwise. Some blame the Watts Link, but I think Ford derated them on purpose to make SUVs more appealing. Technically all 1997 models can't tow anything according the owners manual. Sucks the owners manual can't stop me!

4.)TV Grommet on 1987-1991 cars likes to fall apart and kill the AOD. They make a brass replacement to prevent that from happening. You'll also probably just run into needing to replace soft vacuum hoses and old seals if the previous owner didn't. As A_D_A_M mentioned, certain parts are getting harder to find, but it's usually trim and interior bits. Mechanical stuff is still pretty available since it's a 302.
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#4132962 - 01/14/22 09:16 PM Re: Thinking of buying another vic...few questions? [Re: DZG]
Old_Guy_Stu Offline

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Registered: 04/28/19
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Loc: Cleveland, OH
Do it. Boxes are sometimes finicky, sometimes frustrating, but very rewarding.
I'm getting 15-18 city, 21-25 highway. Buy the best-looking one you can find, because body, trim, interior, and rubber parts are long gone. Sometimes you get lucky on eBay, but they're never cheap.
Automatic temp control was a popular option, and most of them are broken now, parts dried up 20 years ago so you'll have to be creative if yours acts up.

Really there's nothing that will prevent you from driving and enjoying a Box, if you're willing to put up with its quirks.
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#4132970 - Yesterday at 03:19 AM Re: Thinking of buying another vic...few questions? [Re: DZG]
DZG Offline
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Registered: 07/19/17
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Loc: Hudson Mi
Thanks for the info guys. Exactly what i was hoping for.

Kinda funny how "athome" these cars look towing pretty decent loads lol.

Good to know on the "cargo springs". I have a 77LTD II in the garage (that dont run) so i know all about the weak knees these old cruiser mobiles can have. Would air shocks be a viable option? Or do they put to much stress on shock mounts?

As far as getting parts and things i kinda figured that was the case. But in my book it just kinda adds to the fun of ownership.

Now when you guys talk about the TV cable...that is basically what replaced the kickdown rod right?? Where is the gromment located so when im looking at cars i can make sure its not already fried? Im guessing up by the throttle body? Im not well versed in the AOD.

I would also be more then happy with those MPG numbers...my ranger gets 18-20 (2.9/5sp) so i would be in that same ballpark. Way better then the 10-12 my 460 F250 gets lol.

One other question...if i did go with one of ehe 92+ cars when did the 4.6's oil chugging habit get fixed?


Edited by DZG (Yesterday at 03:24 AM)

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#4132972 - Yesterday at 06:19 AM Re: Thinking of buying another vic...few questions? [Re: DZG]
Old_Guy_Stu Offline

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Loc: Cleveland, OH
The TV cable is on the throttle body, towards the inside. You'll need to open the throttle to really see it.

One thing I should mention is that wind noise at highway speed is a lot louder than even the Ranger.


Edited by Old_Guy_Stu (Yesterday at 11:28 AM)
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#4132990 - Yesterday at 12:17 PM Re: Thinking of buying another vic...few questions? [Re: Old_Guy_Stu]
DZG Offline
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Registered: 07/19/17
Posts: 7
Loc: Hudson Mi
Originally Posted By Old_Guy_Stu
The TV cable is on the throttle body, towards the inside. You'll need to open the throttle to really see it.

One thing I should mention is that wind noise at highway speed is a lot louder than even the Ranger.


My ranger has very little exhaust and the weather stripping is shot. I doubt its louder lol

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#4133024 - Yesterday at 06:58 PM Re: Thinking of buying another vic...few questions? [Re: DZG]
Bellwestern80 Offline

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Air shocks can definitely be ran if one wants to. The Boxes used air shocks for load leveling as an option with a compressor prior to the introduction of air springs in 1992 (or 1990 for Town Car).

Manual filling type could be used if one desired.

Most of the oil consumption issues were resolved in 1996 with the introduction of a different intake and better valve stems seals. However, some cars tend to vary from the norm and behave differently.

My '97 (~235K miles) has a pan seep and I think the rear main seal leaks a slightly, but on 5W-30 or 10W-30, it won't lose enough to be noticable over a 5,000 mile OCI, and it doesn't smoke out the tailpipe. My buddy has a '99 (~230K miles) that doesn't leak, but will absolutely consume oil and will smoke out the tailpipe on take off if it has been idled for several minutes or 5W-20 is used. Some folks might scream, but we're doing what some Early Aero owners did 15-ish years ago and tossing 10W-40 in there as anything lesser seems to burn more quickly. Seems to keep oil consumption down to roughly 1 quart every 2500 miles. Car runs fine, and no odd noises have been noted, however the previous owner did not take good care of it, which we assume has lead to that condition.

Arguably every car is going to behave differently at this point as they continue to age.
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