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#348176 - 01/16/04 09:22 PM STEERING--Steering Gear upgrade
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I bought a new(used) gear for a Grand Marquis '01 with a tag SPA-KK. You guys, kinger and 2vmodular, and a few others recommended buying a newer gear rather than a rebuilt steering gear. This swap will work, correct? I just need one new pressure hose to match the year of the gear, right? Is this an easy swap? I get the gear delivered my doorstep for a total cost of $148. I have no idea what tools I need, nor do I know how long this project will take. Is there anything I should replace, such as the rubber piece near the bottom of the shaft? Thanks.


Edited by Liquid (02/28/05 05:37 PM)
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#348178 - 01/16/04 10:24 PM Re: Steering Gear upgrade
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Registered: 12/15/02
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haha thats the same thread I have saved, kickass.

read thru that ufo, it has all you need.
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#348179 - 01/17/04 03:59 PM Re: Steering Gear upgrade
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Does the swap take much time? Is it really easy? I havent been able to see down in the bottom, to abouts how I can get that gear out. I can barely get a hand in there to adjust the pressure fittings. I think I saw 2 or 3 bolts holding the gear on. What I was most concerned with is the steering linkage. How do I get the linkage off? Thanks.

The gear is on its way and will be here in a few days . All I need is a newer pressure hose, new return pressure fitting (hose), a pitman puller, is there anything else? Are there any tools needed that the average guy doesnt have?
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'92 CV P74 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/can.gif" alt="" /> Autolamps. Premium Sound w/ Pioneer Deck, Rockford 6x9 Pioneer 6x8. 140k miles. Power Doors, Windows, Seats. Digital Dash. Bastard Block w/ AOD and clunky TC. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> 99' Steering Gear. ENS sway bushings <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. New paint,but peeled about a year later >:|. Super 40 Flowmaster Muffler (Sounds best in cold weather). Heater Core Replaced (Darn the top plenum bolt!).

Current Project: Bleed ABS to fix brake pull

Repairs Pending: front-end links, thermo clutch fan, replace tensioner assembly, replace inefficient alternator, 1 tierod, idler arm, upper and lower control arm bushings, new freeze plugs, and thats about it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

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#348180 - 01/17/04 04:49 PM Re: Steering Gear upgrade
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Disconnect the lines.
Remove the tire.
Disconnect the drag link from the Pitman arm.
Remove the three bolts that hold the box in place.
It comes out easily through the bottom if you unbolt the swaybar bushings and push the bar towards the back of the car.
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#348181 - 01/17/04 07:09 PM Re: Steering Gear upgrade
Kinger87 Offline

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Registered: 12/15/02
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Loc: Gladstone MI
Quote:

What I was most concerned with is the steering linkage. How do I get the linkage off? Thanks.




there is one bolt right next the the steering gear (you may have some annoying plastic thing over it, remove that) and you see the bolt. remove it, and the steering linkage will push right out of the way.
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#348182 - 01/18/04 10:52 AM Re: Steering Gear upgrade
gord_bolton Offline
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Registered: 05/06/02
Posts: 4691
Loc: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
Last time I got a box it came with the pitman arm attached. You might get lucky.

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#348183 - 01/20/04 10:31 PM Re: Steering Gear upgrade
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Gear finally arrived. If the VIN matches up, the gear came from a Canadian built '99 CV LX. I ordered a few parts, and hopefully they are the right ones. I bought Ford P/N F8AZ*3A713*AA. This tube is for a Merc Grand Marq, coming off of the return line. The other part is a p/s pressure hose for a 98 vic. Hopefully I ordered the right parts. Does anyone know how to check to see what the P/N is? By the way, is there anything wrong with Valvoline P/S fluid (/w conditioners)(not stop leak)?


Edited by ufoforever (01/20/04 10:33 PM)
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'92 CV P74 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/can.gif" alt="" /> Autolamps. Premium Sound w/ Pioneer Deck, Rockford 6x9 Pioneer 6x8. 140k miles. Power Doors, Windows, Seats. Digital Dash. Bastard Block w/ AOD and clunky TC. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> 99' Steering Gear. ENS sway bushings <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. New paint,but peeled about a year later >:|. Super 40 Flowmaster Muffler (Sounds best in cold weather). Heater Core Replaced (Darn the top plenum bolt!).

Current Project: Bleed ABS to fix brake pull

Repairs Pending: front-end links, thermo clutch fan, replace tensioner assembly, replace inefficient alternator, 1 tierod, idler arm, upper and lower control arm bushings, new freeze plugs, and thats about it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

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#348184 - 01/20/04 10:48 PM Re: Steering Gear upgrade
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Registered: 01/23/01
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Buy a quart of Redline or Amsoil ATF. Flush the pump out with the cheapest Dexron III/Mercon you can find, then fill it with one of those high-quality synthetics.
Conditioners are nothing more than seal swelling agents.
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#348185 - 01/20/04 10:55 PM Re: Steering Gear upgrade
Crownvicman289 Offline
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Registered: 07/22/03
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Loc: Colorado Springs, CO
so we're talking about replacing an individual gear inside the steering box? by stiffer gear, what exactly do you mean? quicker ratio?
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#348186 - 01/20/04 11:00 PM Re: Steering Gear upgrade
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that p/n number is supposedly... Steering gear and linkage - Pump and hoses - Return tube
Return tube 1998 - 2002

So hopefully this will do it.

Ronman, did you say to flush with transmission fluid? Why do that? By the way, do you know how much fluid it usually takes to fill the pump? Thanks.
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'92 CV P74 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/can.gif" alt="" /> Autolamps. Premium Sound w/ Pioneer Deck, Rockford 6x9 Pioneer 6x8. 140k miles. Power Doors, Windows, Seats. Digital Dash. Bastard Block w/ AOD and clunky TC. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> 99' Steering Gear. ENS sway bushings <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. New paint,but peeled about a year later >:|. Super 40 Flowmaster Muffler (Sounds best in cold weather). Heater Core Replaced (Darn the top plenum bolt!).

Current Project: Bleed ABS to fix brake pull

Repairs Pending: front-end links, thermo clutch fan, replace tensioner assembly, replace inefficient alternator, 1 tierod, idler arm, upper and lower control arm bushings, new freeze plugs, and thats about it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

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#348187 - 01/20/04 11:17 PM Re: Steering Gear upgrade
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Registered: 01/23/01
Posts: 30473
Loc: MCO
What do you think power steering fluid is, ufo?
Guess what: it's ATF!

289, the "gear" is the gearbox.
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#348188 - 01/20/04 11:18 PM Re: Steering Gear upgrade
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Registered: 10/01/02
Posts: 557
I am still a newbie Ronman, I just searched the forum, and I missed the thread about PS fluid being Tranny fluid. I asked because I didnt know. 289, Quicker ratio means more turning of the wheel for very little wheel movement.

Hey Gord, I got a free pitman arm too. Its a shame that I can't use it with my old hardware.


Edited by ufoforever (01/21/04 12:22 AM)
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'92 CV P74 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/can.gif" alt="" /> Autolamps. Premium Sound w/ Pioneer Deck, Rockford 6x9 Pioneer 6x8. 140k miles. Power Doors, Windows, Seats. Digital Dash. Bastard Block w/ AOD and clunky TC. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> 99' Steering Gear. ENS sway bushings <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. New paint,but peeled about a year later >:|. Super 40 Flowmaster Muffler (Sounds best in cold weather). Heater Core Replaced (Darn the top plenum bolt!).

Current Project: Bleed ABS to fix brake pull

Repairs Pending: front-end links, thermo clutch fan, replace tensioner assembly, replace inefficient alternator, 1 tierod, idler arm, upper and lower control arm bushings, new freeze plugs, and thats about it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

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#348189 - 01/21/04 12:16 AM Re: Steering Gear upgrade
2vmodular Offline

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Registered: 04/11/01
Posts: 6289
Loc: New England
the 98' pressure hose curves very close to where the mechanical radiator fan is located.

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Gear finally arrived. If the VIN matches up, the gear came from a Canadian built '99 CV LX. I ordered a few parts, and hopefully they are the right ones. I bought Ford P/N F8AZ*3A713*AA. This tube is for a Merc Grand Marq, coming off of the return line. The other part is a p/s pressure hose for a 98 vic. Hopefully I ordered the right parts. Does anyone know how to check to see what the P/N is? By the way, is there anything wrong with Valvoline P/S fluid (/w conditioners)(not stop leak)?


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#348190 - 01/21/04 12:25 AM Re: Steering Gear upgrade
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Registered: 10/01/02
Posts: 557
Is the clearance going to be too close and pose a problem?
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'92 CV P74 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/can.gif" alt="" /> Autolamps. Premium Sound w/ Pioneer Deck, Rockford 6x9 Pioneer 6x8. 140k miles. Power Doors, Windows, Seats. Digital Dash. Bastard Block w/ AOD and clunky TC. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> 99' Steering Gear. ENS sway bushings <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. New paint,but peeled about a year later >:|. Super 40 Flowmaster Muffler (Sounds best in cold weather). Heater Core Replaced (Darn the top plenum bolt!).

Current Project: Bleed ABS to fix brake pull

Repairs Pending: front-end links, thermo clutch fan, replace tensioner assembly, replace inefficient alternator, 1 tierod, idler arm, upper and lower control arm bushings, new freeze plugs, and thats about it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

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#348191 - 01/21/04 12:42 AM Re: Steering Gear upgrade
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Registered: 01/23/01
Posts: 30473
Loc: MCO
I didn't find that to be an issue at all, Matt...
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