#943396 - 05/16/06 03:17 AM
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I want a NEW PONY! But...every once in the while, I find a cop, that asks me about my ride, and tells me he misses his ol' "Interceptor"  Mine has been a good car! But I lust after the post-2000's. It just won't die yet!!!  So, I areo-body on... Seriously, did these heaps do anything better???
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#943397 - 05/16/06 03:27 AM
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they are faster than a 98-00 (stock for stock, thanks to the weight advantage) They have a stronger rear suspension setup/linkage 9005/6 headlamps vs crappy 9007s More reliable mechanical fan. Pre-96's wont ahve their intake KabOOM!  That is likely about it. This is probably better for the lounge 
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#943399 - 05/16/06 08:44 AM
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Most officers that I've talked to regarding the aero vics compared to '98+, just seems they agreed the aero vic didn't break down compared to the newer ones.
Personally, I agree to a degree as almost all newer vehicles seem to have more problems than the older ones, from what I've seen in my experience.
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#943402 - 05/16/06 10:17 AM
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Over the Hill
Registered: 04/04/02
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I had a '96 and two '97s, and now have a '99. I think the newer Aeros look better than the '98 up. I also agree, fuel economy is a little better. The rear suspension may be a little tougher on the Aeros, but I prefer the '99's ride by a wide margin. It handles MUCH better IMO than the two Aeros I had. I have heard some folks talk about the '98 and newer Panthers being more prone to break down, but in the year that I have had this '99, it has been totally reliable. It's in the shop today getting an alignment, fresh gear oil, and the brake fluid and power steering fluid flushed. I drive it hard at times, but I do NOT do burn-outs. Maybe that's where some of the break downs come from.
From what I have heard, the '01 and '02 models are probably the best built cars since the '96s and '97s.
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#943403 - 05/16/06 10:34 AM
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Poobah
Registered: 01/05/04
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Hmm the Watts linkage rear was supposed to be an IMPROVMENT vs the old 4 link. Vastly better lateral stability.
Ford downgraded the towing capacity in 97 the last of the Aero's this has been exposed as marketing crap to push you towards buying POS exploders
I may be biased to my 01 as my 93 is in much rougher shape.
The Aero also has less leg room and my knee hits the dash
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#943404 - 05/16/06 10:48 AM
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Over the Hill
Registered: 04/04/02
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There ain't no denying my '99 rides and handles a whole lot better than the three Aeros I owned. VMM Quote:
Hmm the Watts linkage rear was supposed to be an IMPROVMENT vs the old 4 link. Vastly better lateral stability.
Ford downgraded the towing capacity in 97 the last of the Aero's this has been exposed as marketing crap to push you towards buying POS exploders
I may be biased to my 01 as my 93 is in much rougher shape.
The Aero also has less leg room and my knee hits the dash
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#943405 - 05/16/06 11:01 AM
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Registered: 03/09/06
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So I must say if your have to get an Aero bodystyle, you can never go wrong with a pre-98 grand marquis! Post-98 interior with weight savings of pre-98 and I just think the way the tail lights are on them is awesome! Now I just have to find out how I can get a marauder front clip on it! I love the look of that front end~!
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#943406 - 05/16/06 11:49 AM
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Over the Hill
Registered: 04/04/02
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One more thing: While I have no regrets at all about buying this '99, if you want the most bang for the buck, find a NICE unmarked '96 or '97, catch up on all the maintenance, and go first class on your ongoing maintenance. I doubt that it would lay down on you before you finally get tired of it.
I passed up a dark blue '97 a while back with 40,000 miles. It was a tough decision.
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#943407 - 05/16/06 12:15 PM
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"They have a stronger rear suspension setup/linkage" "Good point. Towing capacity is rated higher as well. " i have noticed alot of yellow 98+ cabs here have the older (upto 97)non watts link rear end. (Yes I can easily see it when following behind.) i even mentioned it to a friend in the pass seat who knew nothing about cars and he could clearly see it they either put a 98+ body on an aero frame or a older axle on a 98+ car. prob just the axle  i like my aero because it does not cause as much attention. and the attention gets less and less with each passing year
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#943408 - 05/16/06 01:10 PM
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they are faster than a 98-00 (stock for stock, thanks to the weight advantage)
The pre-98s were pretty much dogs. The 99-00 were faster due to the 3.55s, and the 01-up were much faster due to the PI 4.6 V8. The better aerodynamics and reduced weight of the pre-98s contributed to better gas mileage though.
I was comapring a 2.73 equipped -97 to a 98-00 2.73 car (which I have personally compared in the past ) The aero was without a doubt quicker.
My aero, after 3.27s + Duals were instaled, was also quicker than a 99 CVPI equipped with 3.55s. So pffft.
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9005/6 headlamps vs crappy 9007s
Crappy 9005/9006 vs crappy 9007s. I'd say we don't have a clear winner here unless it is E-Code H4 or HIDs, or a combination of driving lamps and headlamps.
Fine i will correct it:
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Crappy 9005/6 vs crappier 9007
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More reliable mechanical fan.
DIdn't they have an e-fan as well? Regardless, mechanical fans have clutches that can wear out. The E-fan makes belt changes easier and has less clutter in front of the engine. The E-fan also doesn't consume as much hp to operate.
Yes, aeros have both an e-fan and mech windmill
The clutches do wear out, but unlike the e-fan it will not completely fail and leave you stranded (bad experience in our old 98 town car), it's effectiveness fades. Snaking the belt over the fan is nothing, it may take a person an extra minute or so...
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#943409 - 05/16/06 01:44 PM
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Registered: 08/24/04
Posts: 775
Loc: Oak Ridge, TN
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Cornering lamps and the way-cool Lighting Package, not to mention I think the aeros are better looking cars than the 1998+; if I had wanted a Mercury, I would have bought a Mercury. I still don't understand why the Lighting Package was done away with for 1998...
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#943411 - 05/16/06 01:50 PM
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The 98-up have a "fail safe cooling system" that SUPPOSEDLY allows sub-50 mph operation for 50 miles...
My Vic doesn't need the e-fan to run constantly to keep the ECT within norm. With enough airflow (highway driving) the coolant is kept cool.
The 96-97 vs 98-00 in terms of performance is indeed an easy one: the 98-00 are heavier and do not have much horsepower over the 96-97.
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#943412 - 05/16/06 06:14 PM
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This is an interesting thread. I thought it was just me that liked the pre 98's looks. I really dislike the tail lamp set-up on the 98+ panthers. The long narrow tail lamps on the pre 98 GM's are cool.
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#943413 - 05/16/06 06:33 PM
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Registered: 09/21/01
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How bout the profile on the Aero's way way better than the 98 plus cars I love the way my 92 LX looks compared to the 2000 profile.....I mean jez what kind of springs did they put in the front the thing is freakin tall. The 2Ks ass end is way tighter than the 92 but as for the 2.73's you can keep em there coming out as soon as I can find somebody to do them, I would try it but never done rear end gears before.. The 98 plus brakes are supposed to be better but before I got the new car the 92 has all new rotors and pads and that thing stops awesome, pretty much always has but with new parts AWESOME, I think the 2K has warped rotors or something, they said they were turned before I bought the thing in Oct. its got the side to side steering wheel thing when you hit the brakes fairly hard, Keep the Aeros Alive!!
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#943416 - 05/16/06 07:29 PM
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Grand Poobah
Registered: 06/30/02
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Loc: Virginia
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i have owned a box, aero, and now my whale.
my box, i beat the crap out of it and it never skipped a beat.
my aero had great gas mileage. sometimes i would hit the low- mid 30 mpg.
my whale is the best yet, though i don't beat it up because i am still worried of the intake crossover. i should just replace that.
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#943417 - 05/16/06 07:34 PM
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Grand Poobah
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yes, my aero was a dog too, forgot to mention that.
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#943418 - 05/16/06 07:41 PM
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Aero's are very unstable when they exceed 100mph.
But they look good (Big tail lights rock!) and are lighter than the current Vics and GMs. However the newer ones make up for the weight with increased power.
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#943419 - 05/16/06 09:00 PM
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That's it I decided I'm keeping my aero for safe keeping in case somebody slams into me in the 2K..... That way I can put the 92 back on the road 
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#943421 - 05/16/06 10:22 PM
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Over the Hill
Registered: 02/22/01
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So, I areo-body on...
Seriously, did these heaps do anything better???
The Aeros use plug wires instead of the COPs that go bad. You can buy a set of wires for the price of 2 cops.
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#943425 - 05/17/06 09:17 AM
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#943426 - 05/17/06 09:53 AM
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Over the Hill
Registered: 02/22/01
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Loc: Southeast michigan
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True, but COPs do look much 'cleaner'
True, you dont have to spend 1-2 hrs routing them when replacing like the wires.
But, With the cops: When replacing the intake you have to remove all of them. On reinstallation of the intake, they give you new screws that hold them down that are a pain. The wires can stay in place and not cause any interference. A time saver
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#943427 - 05/17/06 10:43 AM
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True, but COPs do look much 'cleaner'
But, With the cops: When replacing the intake you have to remove all of them. On reinstallation of the intake, they give you new screws that hold them down that are a pain. The wires can stay in place and not cause any interference. A time saver
Yup, when I did my intake swap I just left all the wires as is. The only thing I don't like with the coil packs is that they are in a bad place.  Why couldn't Ford have put them a little more out of sight. And have one do one side and one do the other without having wires cross over the alternator. 
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#943430 - 05/17/06 03:50 PM
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It was the front end that sold me on 98+ vics, the headlights on those aeros are blahh.
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#943431 - 05/17/06 04:27 PM
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It was the front end that sold me on 98+ vics, the headlights on those aeros are blahh.
Pfft, thats nothing. Aero Vic's and Marquis can both swap to the 98+ front clips.
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#943432 - 05/17/06 04:31 PM
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Over the Hill
Registered: 12/03/02
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I definitely like the look of the 98+ better. They also have better brakes, and I think the watts link rear is an improvement on uneven or rough terrain. I like the way they ride and handle better than the 97-.
However, the aero is more reliable (no COP's to randomly fail), mechanical fan, and gets better gas mileage.
I decided to get rid of my 99 and go back to a 96, when I realized that I could have a similar car for half the money and it did most of what the 99 would do, if not better.
I sold my 99 for $5000, bought the '96 for $1000, repainted it, put on the 98+ brakes and 16" wheels, rebuilt the transmission, and still have less than half of the $ investment than the '99.
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#943433 - 05/17/06 05:23 PM
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Over the Hill
Registered: 04/10/05
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I generally like the 98 plus better, although, BMFer's ride looks good. I would think with the right bushings, etc., the watts would be better than the 4 link. I like the COP arrangement too better. Just my 2 cents.
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#943434 - 05/17/06 06:43 PM
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#943436 - 05/17/06 09:35 PM
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...And Daddy said "Son, your gonna drive me to drinkin' if you don't stop drivin' that hot rod Lincoln." That was too easy. Honestly folks, with the age that aeros are now, it's really hard to call them more reliable... maybe when they weren't 10 + years old, but I still prefer them. And don't get me wrong on the watt-link suspension- I love it on smooth asphalt, but I've nearly lost several whales (even new ones) on washboard curves playing too hard.  I think the extra little bit of give in the 4 link aero rear suspension can be a saving grace at times, and I personally like the ride quality better. In a perfect world, I would choose an '01-'02 drivetrain (save the rearend) in an aero body, with whale front brakes, steering gear & master cylinder.
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#943437 - 05/17/06 10:05 PM
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Registered: 02/22/01
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Now the boys all thought I'd lost my sense
And telephone poles looked like a picket fence
They said, "Slow down! I see spots!
The lines on the road just look like dots
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#943439 - 05/17/06 10:27 PM
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And what exactly is wrong with coming from a hick town?
You have to listen to Hot Rod Lincoln everyday
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#943440 - 05/17/06 10:28 PM
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It beats the hell out of the rap I listen to every day (at every stop sign & traffic jam.)
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#943441 - 05/17/06 10:31 PM
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Over the Hill
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Loc: Southeast michigan
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It beats the hell out of the rap I listen to every day (at every stop sign & traffic jam.)
Very true.
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#943442 - 05/18/06 04:01 PM
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It beats the hell out of the rap I listen to every day (at every stop sign & traffic jam.)
Very true.
Got that right. X2
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#943445 - 05/18/06 08:26 PM
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Its awsome! Gotta love my puke tan and poop brown dash! 
Ohh please that better than being all poop brown.
But this is good lookin...
Or this...
Both are older pics. Right now in the 96' my wood trim has been removed for painting for a special project.
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#943446 - 05/18/06 10:21 PM
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I actually wish it was all poop brown. The lighter color looks like peanut butter. Everything else, including my seats, are that wierd color. Only my steering wheel/column and dash top are dark brown, which I think is a nice color.
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#943448 - 05/18/06 11:55 PM
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well, the 03+ definately has a couple advantages....
rack and pinion steering is nice.
even bigger brakes than '02
steering wheel stereo, a/c and cruise buttons (reaaaaly nice since after I broke my right arm I couldn't reach the stereo buttons)
and I haven't had any problem with fit and finish... after 65 k everything is just like new
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#943450 - 06/19/06 03:12 AM
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I like both the Aeros and whales. I'm torn between getting a '96-97 Aero with the lightness, a '99-00 with 3.55 gears or an '01-up with a PI engine. Then again it be nice to have an Aero with both a PI engine and 3.55's Stopped by Copcarsonline today (they were closed) and went for a short look. Mark has one Aero in great shape, a black/white 9C1 Caprice and the rest are whales.
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#943451 - 06/19/06 09:59 PM
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no one mentioned the audio systems?
92-97? had the awesome (in my opinion) high end audio systems with JBL (?) amps/sub. i was pissed when i found out my high end radio for the 01 had no external JBL amp or subwoofer. 98-present? don't have subwoofer available, even though the hole in the rear deck is still there. dammit.
oh yeah, and the 92lx i had was a smoother ride but my 01lx handles better. 92 seemed quicker, but i tell you when i peg the pedal on the 01 (which is rare), that mofo takes off like a friggin rocket. chirps the tires into 2nd on dry pavement (and fairly new tires)
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If that's what you think, you were in an aero with a very worn out suspension when you decided that. My aero is as stable above 100 as my 94 Z-28. 
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