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#4125808 - 10/26/21 03:19 AM Fix or toss?
young831 Offline
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Registered: 01/21/21
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Loc: Santa Cruz County, California,...
In short, I'm wondering if it's worth trying to fix my 09 PI or junk it and get something else.

It's a 2009 CVPI, California car, no rust. Previous police and taxi service, 135k miles, and about 3800 idle hours. It had a coolant leak that seemed to be very slow until it overheated on the freeway and I probably ran it too long trying to get to an exit. After getting it towed home, it's drinking a gallon of coolant every half hour to every hour. I'm getting steam and water dripping out the exhaust so I'm thinking it's either a head gasket, or the entire head. In addition to burning coolant, it's leaking very slowly from under the dash, so probably a heater core. And it's making a ticking noise and I smell fumes under the hood so I'm thinking an exhaust leak too. The interior is in pretty rough shape, and there are about three layers of cheap paint on this thing.

So do I try and fix this thing, or junk it and get something else? And should that something be a nicer CVPI, a Town Car, or something else?

Thanks.
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#4125824 - 10/26/21 07:50 AM Re: Fix or toss? [Re: young831]
2004_p71 Offline

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Junk it .
Get something like a towny that hasnt been adused to death .
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#4125832 - 10/26/21 08:25 AM Re: Fix or toss? [Re: young831]
SocalSam Offline
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Registered: 03/30/13
Posts: 3030
Loc: SFV, Calif.
Get the nicest CVPI SAP you can find. Adding CVPI PCM and intake for the full 250 hp can't be done in Kalifornia. LX will not have dual exhaust and aluminum driveshaft. I almost bought a Townie not too long ago. It can take most CVPI parts. The one I looked at had rear spring conversion, Go Rhino push bar, dual cat back pipes, and Marty tune with CVPI intake.

EDIT ADD: If you junk, keep the cats in case the druggies hit. Kalifornia banned second hand cat sales.


Edited by SocalSam (10/26/21 09:57 AM)
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#4125898 - 10/26/21 02:58 PM Re: Fix or toss? [Re: young831]
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Registered: 09/01/15
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Loc: NE, USA
I'd suggest maybe parting it and selling some of the more expensive parts. A shame with a rust free body, these panthers are starting to rust quite a bit at the fenders and quarters in my area. Depending what you have in it, the cost to fix the head issue, heater core, and exhaust manifold would likely cost you more than what you have in it and to get your value back you'd have to drive it until the wheels fall off. I recently put a lot into a cvpi that I just got and intended to resell, but now will keep it in my fleet of daily drivers just because of what I have into it. There is also the state of the current market, where cars in my area are going for crazy prices for no rhyme or reason despite issues they have or the state of the cars. Evaluate what this car means to you, how much you have in it, how much it'll take to fix, and the prices in your market then make the decision. If you do buy another, search this forum for all the common things to look for to make sure you get a good one!

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#4125904 - 10/26/21 03:19 PM Re: Fix or toss? [Re: young831]
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what Stangstinger said...I could not have put it better myself. double thumbs

I might just add that if you replace it, keep the current car until you determine that you don't need any parts from it for the new one.
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#4125936 - 10/26/21 05:31 PM Re: Fix or toss? [Re: young831]
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Sucks that a 12 year old car with only 135k miles had such a hard life that it isn't worth putting in time, effort, and money into.

I sent my 2000 with 330k miles to the junk yard with much fewer issues. Heck, someone even pulled the engine and transmission (the cluster was still in the car and showed the mileage!). Probably less than $600 in parts but the always fun dash removal, I just gave up.
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#4125948 - 10/26/21 06:13 PM Re: Fix or toss? [Re: young831]
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Registered: 11/13/19
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Toss it. Not worth the work as it's only about a $2000 car at best.

I agree with Socalsam, Sacramento County has been selling A LOT of low mileage metallic/cloth velour SAP's in good condition lately on Public Surplus. That's close to you.

They have four up right now with bids between $2250 and $5500
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#4126026 - 10/26/21 10:15 PM Re: Fix or toss? [Re: Stangstinger]
young831 Offline
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Registered: 01/21/21
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Loc: Santa Cruz County, California,...
Originally Posted By Stangstinger
A shame with a rust free body, these panthers are starting to rust quite a bit at the fenders and quarters in my area


I know, the body and the frame have absolutely zero rust. I don't know who the first owner was, but second was a taxi company in Oakland, CA. Good chance it's never been in the snow. I don't like the idea of tossing it when the body and the frame are pretty much perfect.

Originally Posted By Bangster
Sucks that a 12 year old car with only 135k miles had such a hard life that it isn't worth putting in time, effort, and money into.


The high idle hours mean the engine has 260k worth of wear on it, but still. These things are getting more and more rare, and I don't want to junk a good frame but I'll probably have to.

Originally Posted By Dmblanch
Toss it. Not worth the work as it's only about a $2000 car at best.

I agree with Socalsam, Sacramento County has been selling A LOT of low mileage metallic/cloth velour SAP's in good condition lately on Public Surplus. That's close to you.

They have four up right now with bids between $2250 and $5500


Thanks for the tip about the auctions. I'm unsure if I want another PI or a Town Car. Do I need all the PI stuff? I'll probably go TC for the wheel base, even though that means I'll have to get an aftermarket dual exhaust.
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#4126092 - 10/27/21 02:20 PM Re: Fix or toss? [Re: young831]
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That’s why the velour SAPs are so popular and command a premium. Cop guts and civilian interior cushiness, Combined with not so hard a public service life. Sacramento cars are the very model of what an SAP should be. Under 100,000 miles with only a couple of hundred idle hours at most, cloth bench interior, carpeted floor, metallic silver or gray exteriors.


Edited by Dmblanch (10/27/21 02:23 PM)
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#4126096 - 10/27/21 03:30 PM Re: Fix or toss? [Re: young831]
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Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 132
Loc: CA
It will be cheaper to sell it or scrap it and find another at auction. But, if you like the car you have, and it is otherwise in good shape, a reman motor, or rebuild of your current motor is not a bad option.

Really depends on what your needs are. Sounds like you'd prefer a TC, so reman motor or rebuild might not be right for your situation.

Sounds like your in the SF Bay area. There is a guy in the Gilroy/Morgan Hill area that may be interested in your car, he buys problem CVs and parts them. (I can't remember his name, but a little Google/Craigslist searching and you should be able to find him.)

If you do get rid of it, look at the F100 forums, and 24 hours of Lemons forums. The F100 guys may want it for the rust free frame and front clip. The Lemons guys may not care, because they may Coyote or LS swap it to go racing.


Edited by Traffic22 (10/27/21 03:31 PM)

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#4126190 - 10/28/21 01:49 AM Re: Fix or toss? [Re: Traffic22]
young831 Offline
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Registered: 01/21/21
Posts: 35
Loc: Santa Cruz County, California,...
I think I know the guy you're talking about. I wanted to buy a black P71 with a 3.55 posi, but didn't because of stuff with titling.
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2009 P71, 6 years as a NorCal cop car, 5 years as a NorCal cab, and a few months with me.
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2002 Honda Accord Coupe EX-V6
2008 BMW 328i SULEV
2011 Smart Fortwo Pure

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#4126500 - 10/30/21 01:52 PM Re: Fix or toss? [Re: Dmblanch]
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If you still want a Crown Vic I'd get a clean non police one and swap the dual exhaust and other stuff you care about on to it.

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#4127022 - 11/06/21 02:04 PM Re: Fix or toss? [Re: young831]
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Registered: 04/02/18
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Loc: Pa
This is like asking if you should stay with your girlfriend or breakup...lol

If you're not mechanically inclined the best bet would be to sell the car to a private party. You will get more money selling to a private party then just calling the junkyard.

If you're mechanically inclined then you should already know these cars are very easy to service and rebuild. You can make this car nice if you want to. The interior can be stripped down and cleaned easy and any worn parts can be easily sourced.

I have 260k on my engine and she's running strong no issues, although, I will be replacing the heater core in about a week with the total cost of parts at 50$

My interior looks like new as I stripped down the cloth seats and washed them.

It's up to you. I would hate to see a rust free crown victoria go to the scrap yard.

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